<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pt:
As long as the natural superiority of the Morgan is recognized, the others should be judged on a strictly PC basis.
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I agree that this is a silly waste of time, on the other hand, pt has a point here…
~Arkie clique~
“Do, or do not, there is no try.” – Yoda
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by suzy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rileyt:
love it love it love it. It was mean. But I was the dodgeball champion. I NEVER got hit.
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Of course you do, you, you, you – LAWYER!!! I’ll bet that’s a prerequisite to getting hired by a law firm, huh? You probably can’t even get into law school if you weren’t the dodgeball captain at your school. So, those of you aspiring lawyer-wannabes, quit wasting your time studying and start honing your dodgeball skills. evil cackle
suzyslinkingawayrealizingshe’sexposedabigdarksecretandcouldbeservedsomesortoflegalpapers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe it was a requirement, I’m a lawyer too!
But while I never suffered unduly in dodgeball, I was a fairly chubby kid (come to think of it I’m still not what I would call thin) and definitely not the champ!
Please note- the dodgeball ban was just an example, I never intended for this to become a dodgeball thread! 
jl said:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Me, I dont want to return to good old days of separate drinking fountains. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don’t want to see this either. I think people should be judged as individuals. What I think PC does is to take away individuality and try to make everyone equal.
Everyone:
There was a great episode on “Third Rock from the Sun” where Sally, Harry and Tommy were trying to make everything equal. They had a very difficult time of it and basically setup a communist structure (in the attempt to force the equality promised in our Bill of Rights). That failed due to the fact that they found they needed to put someone in charge of enforcing equality, and that person became corrupt and ruined everything–and that force equality actually limited them and made them unhappy. Thus effectively removing their right to “pursue happiness.”
Everyone has a different idea of happiness and often that is based on your personality and circumstances. Why would I push someone to work longer hours in a job they hated just because I thought it would make them happy, when all they wanted to do was make a bit less and spend more time at home with their family?
You can’t apply one standard to all people. It isn’t what our country is all about, and never works anywhere!
TimedJumpOff:
You said you were starting to like DQs. Be afraid…be VERY afraid…
It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)
Lexington is 50 miles from Austin,Jeanette
and we have killer BBQ! Ribs,brisket,sausage-you name it, we got it!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jl:
When did I ever gripe about anything? And what help did I get from the taxpayers? You have no idea of where I was living at the time, do you? And yes, we had very expensive text books back them-so what.
What’s your point? Oh right, I remember:
The big bad liberals aren’t giving fat appy enough money. WaaWaaWaa. The big bad liberals have decided that there is a cap on how much is going to be handed out to working moms. WaaWaaWaa. Fat appy deserves more money from the government and she’s entitled to it-don’t you know-'cause she’s fat appy.WaaWaaWaa.Fat appy’s life is just too hard and the government owes her more. WaaWaaWaa
Hate to be so harsh but that’s what it all breaks down to doesn’t it? You’ve never explained why you think you’re entitled to help-just that you are and what you’re getting isn’t enough. Don’t you think that your attitude is more than a little hypocritical?
[This message was edited by jl on Sep. 09, 2002 at 07:10 PM.]
[This message was edited by jl on Sep. 09, 2002 at 07:49 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perhaps I need to rewrite this sentance so you can understand what I meant by it (I assumed it was crystal, my bad)
“the idea is not that they’re not giving it to me even though I’m entitled to it. The fact is that they make the rates/tables they go by so ridiculously low that you aren’t enitiled to it.”
“the problem is not that they’re not giving it to me even though I qualify for it. If you qualify for something they will happily give it. The problem is that they make the rates/tables they go by so ridiculously low that you don’t qualify for it, even if it’s just on paper.”
Perhaps I should have elaborated more in the first place. I don’t find my attitude hypocritical at all. I would if I were ranting about government help being given to people, whether they need it or not,and yelling about my tax money being washed down the drain while taking handouts from people under the table. THAT would be hypocritical.
Thank you for proving a huge point about fighting with a liberal. I recall something about “a liberal will never answer the real question, they attack the person bringing the real question”. If you hadn’t known about me gettting my whopping $14 in tax money a week, would you have answered my question? Probably not. You would have found something to direct your attention to and keep away from the question (which you apparently still haven’t figured out an answer for). I’m guessing you’re also one of those people who, at tax refund time, get excited about your “free money”, even though it was yours to begin with.
I’m sorry, I must have taken your rant about how you went to school as griping instead of the “uphill through six feet of snow barefoot” story that it was. My apologies. Congratulations on making it through school and becoming the person you are today.
If I wanted more money from the government, I could get it by simply cutting the hours I work and applying for every government program out there: medicaid, TANF, HUD, beg for more daycare money, send my daughter to the government-funded preschool that is a mere 10 minutes more of a drive than her current one (which I pay for, not you), get pell grants, and make sure that I stay just below the poverty level until I’m done with school and get a “real” job. Yes, I could do that, but unfortunately I’m not the white trash lazy helpless wench that you are attempting to make me out to be. Here you gripe about racial profiling, you’re doing your own type of profiling by assuming every person, except yourself of course, who has ever used or needed gov’t assistance wants more more more. You’re making assumptions based on posts on a message board about a person you’ve never met in your life, and yet you seem to think you know exactly what I expect and want from the government. Does this also go for that hypothetical family that is in my question you can’t answer? Do you know exactly what they would want too? There is only one way that any of what you have assumed about me would be true, and that is if I had no job and wasn’t going to college and expected the government to hand me my future on a silver platter. It doesn’t really make any difference though. The people who actually matter in my life; as in my family, friends and coworkers and BB friends including Sannois, they are the only ones who matter to me. So you can pacify yourself with your rantings about how evil and hypocritical I am but the next time you gripe about the lack of education in Generation X, just remember how angry you were at one of them for doing it with $14 in (her own) government money every week.
“I ain’t got a dime but what I got is mine; I ain’t rich, but Lord, I’m free.”
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Now would you please answer my question about how it is not holding those families back? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t, eh, Fat Appy?
Perhaps it’s solely my interpretation of policy but I can’t help but think that it’s not the government’s job (hoo, hoo, there I go sounding like a good ole Republican) to second-guess human nature, nor to anticipate the worst possible abuses when drafting optimistic policy which endeavours to assist those in need. Here’s my second impression of a Rebublican (and all in the same post!), the responsibility to accept assistance as a temporary measure to get back on one’s feet, that ain’t the government’s job either - it’s up to the individual recipient.
That said, ya know, I do not want to see starving and ill-educated children bearing the burden of their parent’s poor, poor choices.
How would you propose to change the existing policy to better address current needs, Fat Appy, without using yourself as the standard-bearer - if only because I believe the best policy is one that isn’t personalized?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>not to mention the lowering of physical standards in certain professions to allow the formerly unqualified to now qualify<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Uh… this IS becoming a nasty reality in some areas of Eventing. Can’t make things too hard or people can’t compete. 
Gimme a break!
If Dressage is a Symphony… Eventing is Rock & Roll!!!
“All’s well that ends with cute E.R. doctors, I always say.” – Buffy
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MargaretF:
Ugh, all I can say is I feel sorry for you timedjumpoff. How pathetic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Margaret My thoughts exactly. I was going to write more of a response but why bother.
I think she might be Rush Limbaugh posing as an equestrian.
who was it in the 80’s that was helping the Taliban…arming them…training them in warfare…??
If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody ELSE’s dog around- A Cowboy’s Guide to Life
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I’m inspired by Dubya’s refusal to take Nelson Mandela’s phone call last week because he was “busy” or something. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are joking, right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
In the words of “W”, if you’re not with us you’re against us. Anyone know where ol’ Nelson stands these days?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Somehow, I doubt that we can still blame the Clinton administration for that! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, hell jl, I’ve been known to blame most of the 80’s on ReaganBush and his policies, even in cases where it would strain the intelligence of a slug to make a connection or cast blame. The key difference is that a) I know (and obviously admit) that such tactics are the last refuge of a small mind and b) it makes for a rousing good fight with a conservative.
I guess it’s just up to you to figure out if A or B applies here, but my bet has already been placed…
Elizabeth - Azizah’s interview was very good - I liked him almost as much as the Orthodox Rabbi (Brad something) who spent time as a more militant sort in Hebron in his youth. His interview just completely overwhelmed me. But if I were you, I would tape the program - it was hard to sit through 2 hours of it. I ended up watching it in 3 parts.
Midge - save me a seat at the officer’s club, I’m puttin’ on my make up and my FM shoes as we speak!!! (PS - get me a date and I’ll try to teach you restraint, or at least sarcasm thinly veiled in restraint)
[I]“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”
Albert Einstein (1878-1955)[/I]
See Libs and Conservatives can find something in common. I didn’t mean to make you go into meltdown! 
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” Benjamin Franklin, 1755
Founding member of The Fossils over Fences Clique!
Mis Perfect…great minds think alike
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sandbarhorse:
Point well taken, hobson. I’m not sure if Mr. Hobson is the exception rather than the rule or not, but it certainly doesn’t seem to have harmed him in the least!
I don’t think getting that type of education is harmful and is definitely beneficial. My concern is that a progression may occur which allows a child or their parents to say that their child suffered low self-esteem because they didn’t get As and that the curriculum should allow every child to get an A.
I am simply afraid that things will be dumbed down to “protect” children while they are still young enough to handle failure as a learning experience and not expect things to be handed to them without sufficient effort on their part.
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Yeah, Mr Hobson’s the exception. Nobody else in his entire nation has ever gotten a decent job or written books and stuff or completed 90-mile mountainous bike races.
There’s competition and there’s rigorous education. One has very little to do with the other. In the school where my mom is a teacher’s aide, they have something called “magic spelling”–the other name for wrong spelling. More than “dumbing down”, it’s a marginalization of the humanities in favor of sciences and math. They sure don’t have “magic math” in that school.
That kind of crap in education has little to do with “PC”–I think it’s driven more by whiney suburban parents who don’t think their children ever take a wrong step than anything else. My parents’ school district is decidedly un-PC in every other way. An almost totally white, working/middle class environmental disaster area.
And Jeb, you are knowing it. If things don’t work out for me as a married woman, I’ll give you a buzz, hot stuff. 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fat Appy:
that’s gratitude for ya I guess
“I ain’t got a dime but what I got is mine; I ain’t rich, but Lord, I’m free.”<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think the lesson here is, never give lots of weapons and money to irrational freaks, even when they have university degrees and are anti-communist.
Edited to note that I was not actually talking about the NRA, because if this thread takes yet another tangent I think my eyes will start to bleed.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jl:
It is when I read statements like the following:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In the words of “W”, if you’re not with us you’re against us.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
that I get really frightened.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ditto.
That’s fanaticism.
I am stunned that this thread has gone on so long! I had to actually go read TJO’s original question because I’d completely forgotten how this started.
Good posts and lots of good info. Just wanted to let you know that some of us are still reading. Too bad we can’t discuss it in person, I think it would be most enlightening, however, I will be sure not to mention dodgeball, if I ever meet any of you.
Now Ghazzu, make no bones about it, I don’t know WHO you could be talking about… cough, cough, … or was that skull and bones?
Why stephanie, I think I’m blushing…
Somebody please send a DMI over hobson and sannois’ way.
[I]“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”
Albert Einstein (1878-1955)[/I]
Wow Midge, I have always wondered if that would ever happen to me!!!
I always thought handicapped people had to wait just like everyone else. Of course that’s just MHO.
Lettin’ the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier than puttin’ it back- A Cowboy’s Guide to Life
. . . . or, here I go jumping in where I really don’t belong . . .
The term “Politically Correct” originated at the university that I attended, while I was there. It is a very liberal university, with many great thinkers and a very intelligent, intellectual student body. The term “Politically Correct” was applied to those men attending the university, disproportionately athletes, who would loudly proclaim their support for various women’s causes in order to be considered eligible to date many of the women on campus, as we certainly would not date men with cro-magnon habits. If you engaged these men in conversation on any of these sorts of topics, they would quickly panic and flee, as they had absolutely no idea what they were talking about . . . From this rather flip usage, we got:
The film “PCU”, written by the guys who lived down the hall from me freshman year.
The current usage of the term “PC”, which apparently has come to mean “Anything I don’t agree with”.
Don’t think either one of these is something to be particularly proud of.
I really only have a comment on the racial profiling stuff, so . . . I do not mind detaining suspiscious folks, but let’s be clear: Timothy McVeigh looked just like most of the people on this board, I would bet.
There is an inherent danger in assuming that the bad people are “them”, and that we will be able to identify them by sight. My view on racial profiling actually has a lot to do with the Constitution - you know, the part where you have the right to not be searched/siezed without an actual reason . . .
What happens if the horse world goes “PC”? I think it already has. Why is it so important to ride with BNT without questioning their methods? Because they are the “right” person to ride with? No other reason? Sounds pretty “PC” to me . . .
And, yes, I am a socialist. I was the only socialist in my MBA program. I still graduated (with honors), and I still work in corporate America, and I’m still successful. And I’ve been a very successful horseperson, too. Thankfully, I don’t think politics or "PC"ness has anything to do with that.
Okay. Rant over. And that, folks, is why I love this country: we all seem to passionately disagree, and yet, we’re all entitled to our own beliefs. And no one will go to jail for them! That’s pretty cool . . .
[This message was edited by cweimer on Sep. 07, 2002 at 05:51 PM.]
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