I agree that horse-wise, it’s a ridiculous topic, but I personally get tired of reading all the human “politically correct” sentiments.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rileyt:
love it love it love it. It was mean. But I was the dodgeball champion. I NEVER got hit.
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Of course you do, you, you, you – LAWYER!!! I’ll bet that’s a prerequisite to getting hired by a law firm, huh? You probably can’t even get into law school if you weren’t the dodgeball captain at your school. So, those of you aspiring lawyer-wannabes, quit wasting your time studying and start honing your dodgeball skills. evil cackle
suzyslinkingawayrealizingshe’sexposedabigdarksecretandcouldbeservedsomesortoflegalpapers
I do understand your point, Fat Appy, but correct me if I’m wrong, it’s, currently, a Republican government perpetuating a broken policy, no? And was it not Clinton who signed off on the bill which time-caps welfare payments? Perhaps I’m odd but paying as we do in income tax the equivalent of a really nice WB annually, I’ve never thought to blame those who are less fortunate - can’t quite summon up the arrogance to blame the single mother, the homeless, the disenfranchised in Canada, all the usual suspects when y’all rant on about your tax dollars.
My point TJO with the horse world analogy was to illustrate, perhaps poorly, that while we, collectively and individually, denounce some of the rampant inequities in the sport, some of us can’t seem to summon up equal compassion for our neighbours, colleagues, our fellow human being. While we’d all damn a judge who’d not place a non-Van Teal-TS breek-wearing rider showing an Appy, beautifully and competitively against, let’s say a WB, somehow many of you resort to flip remarks (i.e. the refrain, ‘toughen up, life ain’t fair’) and victim-blaming when the underlying source of inequity is, for example, racism. 
… and would simply like to request more dodgeball/bombardment references. Everytime I read one I hear a gameshow DING go off in my head.
Come on … I know you’ve got 'em in you!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brilyntrip:
I cannot believe that anyone would fall for TJOs bag pf tricks so easily!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think we stumbled into a serious discussion.
almost
Sorry DeeDee, I found the icon but couldn’t find the prompt to the lock mode. Maybe this thread is “MAC” challenged.
Magnolia–I can’t find the right key to get out of here. Could it be separation anxiety?
Have to go now. It’s been fun but now please somebody, anybody—put this to bed for me. 
I’m confused as to why everyone seems to think that Timedjumpoff is trying to stir up an argument. Timedjumpoff do you have a history as a trouble maker?? J/K 
I think TJO makes some interesting points. Why do they seem silly to everyone else???
I happened to bring up the issue of giving all lead-liners blue ribbons at a horse show a few weeks ago. I say, pin the class (like they do at Devon, Upperville, etc…) I think its fine for all of the kids to get some kind of prize but I also think that children should begin to learn at a young age how to be graceful winners and graceful losers.
Also, don’t we already see some of this blue ribbon for everyone kind of attitude spreading beyond the lead line classes? There are schooling jumper classes that give blue ribbons to all of those who have clean rounds and schooling hunter classes that give blue ribbons to all of those who score over an 80 (for example). To me these classes represent the dummying down of the sport.
The idea of banning high priced show clothes in favor of uniforms was also brought up. Sounds a lot like what went on in the Grand Prix ring at WEF. Instead of shirts and jackets riders were asked to wear polo shirts, I believe this was in an effort to show spectators that our sport is not elitist.
I’m certainly not a pot stirrer, quite the opposite in fact. But do think some interesting points were made in the original post.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by suzy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sandbarhorse:
Please note- the dodgeball ban was just an example, I never intended for this to become a dodgeball thread! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Too late. I intend to sue. Riley could you start doing your lawyer stuff on my behalf. 
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If she does I will be forced to file a counter suit for damaging my self-esteem by making lawyer jokes.
Lawyers are degraded so often that we should be deemed a protected class and given many benefits that others are not entitled to! 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DMK:
But to be perfectly fair, time has shown that the “I can’t remember” defense really did turn out to be accurate, albeit not nearly as much fun as that pesky “non-material perjury” defense.
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OMG! To be completely un-PC, I just blew coffee through my nose!
Just because you’re not paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Midge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jl:
Lexington is 50 miles from Austin,Jeanette
and we have killer BBQ!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<sigh> And you commit heresy without a blink. BBQ is a Noun not a Verb. 
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Midge, Midge - get a hold of yourself, woman. I realize all the talk about tax dollars has gotten your mind a’racin’ and your heart a’pumpin’, but, as best I can tell, my buddy JL DID use “BBQ” as a noun. No?
fat appy
I spent a small portion of my evening reviewing the statistical guidelines for poverty that you previously referenced. Here’s what I found:
Despite your repeated assertions that:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Libs WANT you to stay unsuccesful so you have to depend on them to fight for you and feel your pain<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And perhaps YOU want me to have a job but I assure you that you’re in the minority of group<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I hate the people who make those who need them stay on them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Using the link that you provided, I stumbled on the following statement:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The poverty guidelines are the other version of the federal poverty measure. They are issued each year in the Federal Register by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The guidelines are a simplification of the poverty thresholds for use for administrative purposes for instance, determining financial eligibility for certain federal programs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As you’re the one who repeatedly maintains that it’s all some nefarious liberal plot to keep you down, I hoped to discover how the guidelines for assistance was determined. Is it controlled by a cabal of sinister tree huggers?
If you re-read the above quote, the indication seems to be that eligibility for financial assistance is reviewed by HHS yearly bases on the poverty guidelines issued by the Census Bureau .
Somehow, I doubt that we can still blame the Clinton administration for that!
My feelings as to whether or not the poverty guidelines are set too low are irrelevant in this discussion. You keep accusing me of ignoring your question so once again and for the record: Please proffer proof that the liberals are responsible for determing the poverty threshold.
As far as attacking the individual not the issue, let’s review some more facts, shall we?
I’ve never attacked you personally-I’ve simply pointed out that your current stance is irrational. I’ve wished you well and cheered on your attempts an independence. I was provoked when I was egregiously misquoted but heh-veracity is very important to me.
I shared my college experiences with you and this is the response I got:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I’m sorry, I must have taken your rant about how you went to school as griping instead of the “uphill through six feet of snow barefoot” story that it was<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think you’d be hard pressed to find another poster that would consider my anecdote “gripping”.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> you’re doing your own type of profiling by assuming every person, except yourself of course, who has ever used or needed gov’t assistance wants more more more. You’re making assumptions based on posts on a message board about a person you’ve never met in your life, and yet you seem to think you know exactly what I expect and want from the government<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Once again. you’re attempting to put words in my mouth. You, my dear, are the one that consistently uses the word entitled, not me. And while I laud your efforts to graduate from school debt-free, do you not find it a tad ironic that you are receiving government assistance to do so?
You know what’s really funny, fat appy? Given my druthers, I’d glady contribute more towards your education with my tax dollars. That’s how we liberals are.
I wanted to answer your accusations before I exited this dialogue. I now think that this has become an exercise in futility as I doubt that you will ever seriously consider any of the points I’ve tried to make. This reminds me of the old adage about teaching a pig to sing. I wish you success in your future endeavors.
[This message was edited by jl on Sep. 10, 2002 at 09:37 AM.]
[This message was edited by jl on Sep. 10, 2002 at 10:08 AM.]
The number of students who are getting in on “legacies” ARE diminishing. My mum went to grad school at Princeton, so that’s the only Ivy I’m really familiar with.
According to the Princeton Club of Washington newsletter that arrived today, incidentally :
Of the incoming class of 2006 (1,166 enrolled), only 11 percent are legacies. Statistics are not supplied as to the GPA/SAT scores of legacies, but I would be willing to bet that, chances are, their GPAs & SAT scores are on par with non-legacies that also got accepted.
Being a legacy doesn’t automatically gain you admittance these days. 50 years ago, maybe even 20? yes. But not now. Not into todays HIGHLY competitive college “market”.
What really bothers me is the average middle class family has been effectively priced out of the more expensive colleges. My mother has a good job, works hard, and makes a good living, which allows us to live a comfortable, middle/upper middle class life - but we can’t afford for me to go to, say, Bryn Mawr. I know a LOT of people who are in the same boat - Susie got into Harvard, but do you sell your soul to get her there? To be perfectly honest, it sucks. There were a lot of wonderful schools I wanted to apply to - like Bryn Mawr - but I didn’t even want to apply, lest I get in & have to come to the realization that “Hey, we just can’t afford this!”
I went to Sweet Briar, which is somewhere in the middle between state schools & the Ivies/Seven Sisters/etc. Expensive? Yes. But they were wonderful about scholarships & other financial aid. The endowments for Ivy League schools are MUCH bigger than Sweet Briar’s - but you don’t see them handing out scholarships & financial aid to families who are too rich to qualify for Federal help & too poor to really be able to afford a $35K + a year tag. There are a lot of really qualified people who just can’t afford it -
-Albion
NO NO NO BGoosewood! If it was racial profiling at the airport she would have had to have been a Saudi! If she was Black, it would have been the same as picking an old white woman…neither flew into any buildings.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by timedjumpoff:
It seems Politically Correct behavior isn’t popular with horsepeople (except for hobson–are you really a horseperson?) on many levels.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, heavens no! I’ve never sat on a horse in my life! They are pretty, though–aren’t they just like cows?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>BGOOSEWOOD—Don’t equate the Japanese/American experience during WWII with profiling today.
Sending American citizens to internment camps indefintely was wrong–and a lot different than profiling today where certain aliens and non-citizens are being detained for questionning,
then released unless they are found to have some connection with terror groups or related activities. However I do agree with your assertion that PCness is being taken to dangerous extremes, far exceeding its original intent and possibly impinging on constitutional rights.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well then, isn’t it about time we started “detaining indefinitely” all Irish Americans? After all, this is a global struggle against evildoers everywhere, and Americans of Irish descent provide much of the funding for terror activity in Northern Ireland. Do you have reddish hair, TJO? Do you like the color green? Off to jail with you, then. It’s for our safety, so be patriotic and turn yourself in. You won’t be needing an attorney, because…well, just because. Those Arabs don’t need them either.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>hobson—You certainly provide much comic relief here—unfortunately I think you are serious in your beliefs. Are you sure you’re not a '60’s
child? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
In reality, I am a card-carrying fundamentalist christian republican. I dropped much too much acid in the 1950s and later saw the light. I tend to believe everything I read.
It doesn’t sound like you like this country very much, TJO–as you have noticed, PC is the wave of the future. It’s a democracy, so that’s the breaks. Life sucks like that sometimes, but it’s all about losing and stuff, eh? Perhaps you’d be happier in a place where survival of the fittest is the rule, and unfettered capitalism is the order of the day. The new Russia, perhaps, or Chile?
Yeah, Midge, what’s up with that? The middle classes expect ME to ante up for the school system, when THEY are getting a tax break just because they are fertile! I think if the SUV-driving soccer moms want a nice school system for their darlings, THEY should pay a per-child tax increase. If they don’t want to participate fully in the American way, then they should put those brats up for adoption.
I think the horseworld is safe from the PC peeps for a little while longer, by virtue of the fact that it’s become a non-issue on this thread, at least.
Maybe it’s time to put this topic to bed guys? My head is spinning! What say you, Ms. Moderators?
Remember the Princess Bride? One of my favorite lines. But CWeimer pointed this out eons ago, but some of you folks have the meaning of “politcally correct” mistaken.
It doesn’t mean “leveling the playing field” or “anything liberal.” It means acting in a way that makes one look like they are “with the program” whatever that program may be. Other than Jesse Ventura, I’d say all politicians and most of us are guilty of this at one time or another, and sometimes rightly so. If you have ever seen the TV show Politically INcorrect, you will realize they are talking about what do people REALLY think, and not about a bunch of conservative ideals.
With the current administration and the recent spate of events it is not politically correct to criticize the commander-in-chief. It is not PC to question a war against Iraq. It is not PC to wonder if the US had any fault in the terrorist attack.
It IS politically correct for Dubya to spend his vacation time clearing brush rather than golfing in Martha’s Vineyard.
Dubya is not concerned with learning how to say nuclear, because in his world, it is PC to be a “plain talker” instead of a Rhodes scholar.
It is NOT PC for the first lady to have a career.
It is PC for a Republican to be pro-life because it is a part of the platform, when one may in fact not mind giving out free abortions on a silver platter in the ghettos of this country.
It is PC to have a flag pasted to your car.
It is not PC for Jesse Helms to use the “N” word.
I could go on and on, but ALL politicians are PC.
Remember, as Bush says, you are either with us or against us. That means, if Mother Theresa were still alive, she’d be put into the terrorist’s camp!
PT, what you said sounded very reasonable to me.
DMK, that was a very interesting, intelligant and funny post.
Maggiemay, that’s just what I was talkin’ about!! Comparing hunter shows to civil rights!
Sannois, your sig. line is why I have a problem with racial profiling. (There must be more evidence that just race to haul someone in.)
And then there is race. According to the scientist who invented the classification of race, Middle Easterners are in fact Caucasion. There are only 3 races. Caucasion, Negro and Oriental. It’s all arbitrary.
If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody ELSE’s dog around- A Cowboy’s Guide to Life
Its amazing I tried to make some nice small talk, Hobson, is now obviously mortified That we agree on something. I have insulted the Canadians, Which after I posted that, about horse loving Americans, I realized I left out our nice Canadian neighbors, My bad, And all the other countries on here. But I was really talking to most of the members on this board who are in the states, which were the majority of participants in this over dragged out topic. Mostly because of the date today. And I could care less about what Thomas Jefferson did, I happen to love and agree with that statement thats why I have it as my Sig line. Nuff said! Over and out! May the force be with you!!
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” Benjamin Franklin, 1755
Founding member of The Fossils over Fences Clique!
From the horsey perspective, I think the thread on national awards at the three foot division is a bit PC, i.e, ‘I can’t do it at the A rated level, so I want a national award at my level.’ Here’s a newsflash- Life Is Not Fair!
As far as PC in the ‘real’ world- perhaps you all can give me some imput on the following situation.
I recently attended a Major Sporting Event. As is to be expected, the line at the womens bathroom was long. Once I reached the head of the line, I sat gratefully and was disturbed mid-pee by banging on my door. I said, "just a minute’, finished and exited, where I was roundly berated by a woman in a wheelchair for using the handicapped stall. Now, this woman was not behind me or within ten people behind me so she placed herself at the front of the line and expected to find a perfectly good stall empty. I told her the stall was not solely for the use of handicapped (I will leave out the part about my using the word ‘handicapped’) and that she needed to wait her turn, just like everyone else.
To say she disagreed was putting it mildly. She heaved herself out of the chair and entered the stall, pulling it behind her. There were some general comments from the others in line, both of the ‘she’s got enough problems without waiting in line’ and ‘I wasn’t going to say anything, but I’m glad you did’ sort.
My feeling on this?
1)Anyone who has ever had a bladder infection understands the immediate need for a bathroom, but that person doesn’t get special access.
2)Just about everyone has problems in their lives. Some just show more than others.
Just because you’re not paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
Hobson, how dare you undermine the right of every American to be hairy! It is the hairy who have made America all that it is today. Trust me, when my ancestors ventured to North America, they pulled themselves up with the pit hairs, never once expecting a handout from Gillette!
It’s people like you, you know, the kind who’d shave their legs in a river, who have reduced the masses to a hairless bunch of snivelling idiots. First you demand that your difference, i.e. your penchant for shaving, be rewarded, and now you expect that you be treated as if you were hairy. What’s next? I bet you now expect my tax dollars be invested in stocking your medicine cabinet with Lady Bics!
