Wolkentanz II

My Wolkentanz II is now 2 Years Old, and he is a peach. All in all, I think dressage bred horses tend to be a bit lighter in the front end, which some people label as potential rearers. In the wrong hands, that could become a rearing problem. In the proper hands, it can lead to fabulous “collection-ability.” In the same light, I think a lot of jumpers have a great buck. A really good trainer should be able to circumvent any of those behavioral tendencies, and harness that “evil” for brilliance :slight_smile:

Thus far, at 2, my WII guy is as sweet as they come, and is as easy to deal with as any baby I have had. Oh, and he is strikingly beautiful!! (He is a gawky two year old, but VERY Handsome!)

Any of the Weltmeyer kids and grandkids can be more sensitive, but they’re far from stupid nuts. I have a White Star daughter and she is very sensitive; however, she does not have a propensity to rear. There is a difference between sensitive and crazy.

I have a Wolkentanz I granddaughter. She is light of foot, pleasing movement, superior engine, super-duper brain. But she is more sensitive than her mother was, who is also mine. She has jump. Both top and bottom of her pedigree is a mixture of show jump and dressage. Thus, her movement makes her good enough for the dressage ring too.

I, personally, LOVE Wolkentanz II. He has superb manners. If you’re ever in the area, phone them to come for a visit and they will gladly present him to you for a personal introduction. His offspring, as a whole, tend to be quite stamped by him. He has a very strong prepotency for improving topline, shoulder, neck connection and a good engine. He also improves legs and gaits. His breeding score is still well over 170 and he is still placed in the top 10 for Hanoverian stallions with riding type worldwide - he still beats Sandro Hit and Lauries Crusador in this regard. He is still in the top 15 worldwide for Hanoverian stallions as a dressage sire, as recently as 2009.

He has a good mind and most of his foals have good minds.

Like ANY bloodline in this world, there are always a few exceptions to the rule where for some reason that particular mix of genetics between sire and dam produces a crazy nelly.

But this is the exception, NOT the rule with Wolkentanz II. Even since being imported to Canada, he is still highly praised by both the Hanoverian Verband and Oldenburg Verband for his quality of get and by riders around the world for quality of movement, athleticism and their propensity for winning in the dressage arena. Last year, Oldenburg Verband awarded Wolkentanz II, once again, as having a very high percentage of premium foals. This is pretty darn impressive. He is very, very, very consistent.

A few of his foals jump too. Remember, he descends from World Cup who was a Grand Prix show jumper. He produced Weltmeyer only because SPS Anka was a very powerful A-line dressage mare. Even still, Weltmeyer produced both jump and dressage and the trend continues down the line. My White Star mare was used for dressage, but she has clearly demonstrated the lovely ability to clear my 5’6" fences with room to spare when she wants to. Fortunately, she tends to be rather content to stay home.

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Forte, my Wolkenstein II was the least rideable of all my W line kids. One Weltmeyer was hot (but good hot with a great show record while ridden by a junior), the other not hot - but both ended up very rideable. All the Wolkentanz I offspring have exceptional minds (one is just a yearling, 1 just being started and the other well started under saddle, shown frequently, sometimes in big scary indoor venues and also has many offsping, several of which are under saddle and going beautifully). The Welbekannts across the board are smart, bold, rideable.

So my sample of 1 Wolkenstein was quite different from yours. Just as my 3 Wolkentanz I kids were very different from your one. That is why I really hesitate to put too much emphasis on a small sample being anything but anecdotal. And I am very hesitant to ever brand a whole line with any given highly negative trait, unless it comes through so strongly that it is reflected in indices with a high percentage of reliability. It is good to know what we all have experienced. I am not sure that it is good to generalize about a line or even a stallion based on our often very limited experiences.

I had a lovely little Dutch gelding years ago. He was like a Ferrari to ride. I let a trainer have him for a few months when I had no time for him. He came back rearing. He never fully got over it, but a really good rider managed to keep his feet on the ground for the most part after I gave him to her. Never in my wildest dreams would I have said the rearing was inherited from a parent. IME rearing is usually the result of training mistakes.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you completely. Really, unless you’ve seen a LARGE sample of offspring, you can’t really generalize. I am just sharing my experience with W offspring, which I reiterate again, is my FAVE line. I will add, that the WI daughter I had was probably the best and most fun horse I ever rode, before the rearing started. I think ANY horse can become a rearer if ridden badly, and I suspect that is what happened to her while I was out of town. I for one am THRILLED that we have access to WII in Canada and I hope to either breed to him one day or buy one of his offspring.

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I agree with you completely. Really, unless you’ve seen a LARGE sample of offspring, you can’t really generalize. I am just sharing my experience with W offspring, which I reiterate again, is my FAVE line. I will add, that the WI daughter I had was probably the best and most fun horse I ever rode, before the rearing started. I think ANY horse can become a rearer if ridden badly, and I suspect that is what happened to her while I was out of town. I for one am THRILLED that we have access to WII in Canada and I hope to either breed to him one day or buy one of his offspring.[/QUOTE]
:yes::yes::yes:

I have seen WII (when he was in quarentine) and he is a special guy, so much presence and the most beautiful face and neck. We are super lucky to have him in Canada.

I bred two mares, half sisters from a heavy A line damline, one by Rosentau and one by Longchamp to him. I got lucky and got two fillies and am thrilled with both of them. My mares are really consistant producers but both these fillies are really stamped by their sire. Both are very typey, nice faces and beautiful necks. Both have very good movement and both have the slightly sloped croup of WII. One is longish in the back and she most definitely did not get that from her dam.

The one foal was top dressage bred foal at Spruce Meadows out of a large, quality group.

There are a few pics of her here:
http://www.svhanoverians.com/WRAVEN.html

The other filly really looks like WII. When I sent pics to his owners they thought she was a mini version of him. Here are a few pics:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn273/SpruceViewFarms/DSC_0151.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn273/SpruceViewFarms/DSC_0100.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn273/SpruceViewFarms/DSC_0236.jpg

So yeah, I am a big fan. They are the first W line horses I have owned so I can’t speak much about the line but I just love what WII produces. I really don’t think you could go wrong, especially with a TB mare.

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There are a few pics of her here:
http://www.svhanoverians.com/WRAVEN.html

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OMG - my black WII filly has the exact same brown on her legs where they meet the body! I’ve never seen anything quite like it before!!!

:yes: Nice nice foals everyone!

I really hope my comments are not taken as to impact negatively the stallion or as to mean that I am not happy with him or my filly! Or that people should avoid the stallion… Not at all!

I LOVE my filly, she is my first W-line horse and I wouldn’t hesitate to use Wolkentanz II again. I am really really tempted to repeat the cross with my mare. Alas, she needs a year off. :frowning:

Edited to add: And his owners are FANTASTIC. Really top notch, and that’s important IMO when selecting a stallion as well. :yes:

Donella…![](y WII two year old gelding is a twin for your chestnut filly!!!

[IMG]http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/Flyinghorse11/Wboyheadshot.jpg)

[IMG]http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/Flyinghorse11/Wf102.jpg)

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Donella…my WII two year old gelding is a twin for your chestnut filly!!!

[IMG]http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/Flyinghorse11/Wboyheadshot.jpg)

[IMG]http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/Flyinghorse11/Wf102.jpg)
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And my two are twins too (filly and colt). And at least one other I have seen born this year looks just like these too.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.417839583734.205448.146286488734&type=3

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2166835904669.120548.1659815966&type=3&l=8b99d779eb

Definitely a stamp stallion. Kathleen (Sunnydays) had a filly this year that looks so similar as well.

So cool…they are so similar…and mine is nice enough that I am rebreeding same mare this year…fingers crossed on two week check.

My Tb mare just had a WII colt 3 days ago. He’s still young but I really like him! He is put together so well and is really easy going.

Here is a pic http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3139963626786&l=257c0675d8

Last year my Dutch mare that is Idocus/Rolls Royce had a WII filly. She is also put together well and has more knee and spring than her 2 year old Dacaprio. Also laid back and easy going.

Pic http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1857127996697&l=fc446f0f1e

Thank you EVERYONE for all of your comments and photos. I really appreciate it.

My mare that I am thinking of breeding to him is a hot hot hot mare who did rear when she was being ridden. I will admit I was a bit taken aback by reading some of the comments, as it did seem like it was “hm, I never realized it, but yes my WII horse does rear…” lol Although I do agree light front end horses plus some training mistakes could very well be the reason behind it. I’d never thought rearing was inheritable through the stallion before…
So I’ve made other arrangements for breeding my mare this year. Although after looking at all the stunning WII foals everyone is showing me, I think I will give him a shot next year.

Rodawn, thank you for bringing my attention to all the fantastic accomplishments WII does have.

My mare in question is the mare who produced Viva’s Veroveraar, who attended the Pan Am games with Esther Mortimer in 2011. When I stumbled upon WII, I thought it was a bit of a match made in heaven hehe especially since my mare seems to cross successfully with hanos.

So thanks for all of your input - I really appreciate all pieces of it!

Oooh yes! You’re THAT lucky mare owner. :winkgrin:

Good for you. :slight_smile: Who did you pick? There’s Donner Bube up in Alberta or so who’s said to be pretty amazing.