Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Angela_Freda]

@FitzE

If my daughter had the rap sheet she has, was repeatedly in the kind of trouble she is, had no meaningful life employment, and evaded service even once, let alone repeatedly, it would be my everlasting personal and professional shame. I don’t know how her father holds his head up among other members of the bar. It’s all so trashy and disgraceful. Just yuck. She has no respect for him and he has no shame in enabling her.

You would think. But some parents are as bad or worse than their kids.
The leasor of my horse and her lawyer father come to mind. Hideous people. Apples and trees.

[Angela_Freda]

@CanteringCarrot

I just feel like if you duck out of being served, you shouldn’t be allowed to file any type of suit. How is it that one can avoid anyone going after them or being charged, yet is free to make claims or charges against someone else? I get that some of these charges are in different states so that can complicate things, but still. I think the courts should be able to say, sure you can file this claim…and you’ve now been served and recognize any claims against you. You can’t just skate yet go after someone else. How is it that you can use the law, but no one can else can? If that makes sense…

And maybe I’m a terrible person, but my kids young and/or grown need to face their actions. Or prove their innocence is that’s the case. I would not enable evasion of the law. Honestly, I feel like my own parents would have been the first people to answer the door in such a case! :lol:

As usual LK appears to be a class act. As another poster stated, if your innocent, just get it out of the way and clear your name. If you’re of unlimited means, you’d also have no issue paying a good attorney to sort things out.

Tie it to drivers license renewal [again would be by state, but still]. That would get some of the n’er do wells.

[Jealoushe]

@MorganSercu

I doubt he’s going to stop enabling her now when he hasn’t in the past. I wouldn’t be surprised if the 2001 suspension is due to the tree that jumped in front of Lauren in 1998. At any rate, she wasn’t being careful with that pricey car in 1998.

http://www.digifind-it.com/livingston/DATA/tribune/1998/1998-11-19.pdf (page A8)

http://www.digifind-it.com/livingston/DATA/tribune/2001/2001-08-16.pdf

Pricey car? It’s an Acura Integra. I had one too, in fact I had a 1998 Integra, hardly what I would consider pricey.

I think grasping at things like a car accident from when she was 17 is a bit much. How desperate are you to prove your opinion of this woman. Bringing up nonsense like this just weakens the argument it is so petty.

You never did anything stupid in your teens? I can think of many many friends at that age who had accidents or worse. None of them grew up to be bad people.

[MorganSercu]

To put it into perspective $22,000 car in 1998 is worth about $34,000 today (CPI Inflation Calculator). I hardly think she had a job and bought it for herself. Apparently, it was the start of a trend for her rather than a one-off.

Sure I did stupid things as a teen. Wrecking a brand-new car wasn’t one of them. Buying alcohol while underage also wasn’t one of them. The only person I could have harmed was myself.

[FitzE]

OMG, she’s CURRENTLY (as of today) dodging more than one process server while suing people other than MB for her being shot. Jealoushe, how desperate are YOU to ignore literally every detail of this woman’s life choices and behaviour except for the day she got shot? When do you finally go, right, this is not a decent person? She’ll sue but never answer for her own actions. She’s left a trail of fines, suspensions, charges, tickets, and suits in her wake and never once answered for any of it. When do you throw in the towel?

I mean, it is getting to the “you can’t make this sh*t up” phase.

[eggbutt]

@Jealoushe

I think grasping at things like a car accident from when she was 17 is a bit much. How desperate are you to prove your opinion of this woman. Bringing up nonsense like this just weakens the argument it is so petty.

I don’t think anyone is desperate to prove an opinion of LK. Her past speaks for itself and shows a clear behavior of defiance and problems.

Don’t play holier than thou and tell me if you could find similar issues with MB you wouldn’t be posting them here. We didn’t make LK’s public past that is available for all to see, she did, and she clearly shows no sign of changing her behavior.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Jealoushe

Pricey car? It’s an Acura Integra. I had one too, in fact I had a 1998 Integra, hardly what I would consider pricey.

I think grasping at things like a car accident from when she was 17 is a bit much. How desperate are you to prove your opinion of this woman. Bringing up nonsense like this just weakens the argument it is so petty.

You never did anything stupid in your teens? I can think of many many friends at that age who had accidents or worse. None of them grew up to be bad people.

I thought the same re the Integra. I was expecting a new (for that time) BMW, Mercedes, or something of that caliber.

I also agree bringing up something from 20 or so years ago is a bit much. There’s enough current info to illustrate the character of this individual anyway.

If she was in the accident and her father pulled something unethical to get her out of facing the consequences of being in an accident, well, that just shows that this trend did start early. Otherwise, a teen hitting a tree, isn’t exactly something out of the ordinary or unimaginable. I don’t have enough interest in LK to dig through her past.

[FitzE]

@Jealoushe

Pricey car? It’s an Acura Integra. I had one too, in fact I had a 1998 Integra, hardly what I would consider pricey.

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Oops, your privilege is showing. Might want to tuck that in.

I had no car at all at 17. I’d wager that’s true for many. My parents had one car between them at that time and it wasn’t a new Integra. And I thought of my family as fairly average. To this day I still consider a 17 year old with a brand new car as notable. Hell, when I get a new car I think of it as an event and not just, meh, whatevs. I was out of uni before I ever had a new car. And I’m talking Honda here. Maybe this forum is too rich for me, but I consider a $34,000 car a very nice set of wheels for a kid at 17, esp one who can’t be arsed to take care not to wreck it.

And as a teen I never wrecked a car or bought alcohol. Not getting the need to normalize this stuff. Sounds like LK reasoning: getting jumped at bars is just what happens when you’re 22! Yeah, no, it isn’t. Nor the resultant charge of assault with a deadly weapon, dismissed or not. Sure some teens/young people do stupid stuff but most not at this level (and some worse, so I guess there’s always that to cling to).

[smoofox]

@CanteringCarrot

I thought the same re the Integra. I was expecting a new (for that time) BMW, Mercedes, or something of that caliber.

I also agree bringing up something from 20 or so years ago is a bit much. There’s enough current info to illustrate the character of this individual anyway.

If she was in the accident and her father pulled something unethical to get her out of facing the consequences of being in an accident, well, that just shows that this trend did start early. Otherwise, a teen hitting a tree, isn’t exactly something out of the ordinary or unimaginable. I don’t have enough interest in LK to dig through her past.

Exactly right. Careful - now you will be accused of supporting LK or something … simply because you did not GASP! in astonished amazement/outrage at the info about a car wrecked by a 17 year old in 1998 and wave it around as profound evidence of… well - nothing, really.

Yes, there is definitely enough current info around to illustrate her character!

Question: is anyone posting here the same person they were at 17 (unless you are close to that now)? I doubt it. I sure as hell am not. shrug

@eggbutt

Don’t play holier than thou and tell me if you could find similar issues with MB you wouldn’t be posting them here. We didn’t make LK’s public past that is available for all to see, she did, and she clearly shows no sign of changing her behavior.

Yeah, no. I would not be digging through MB’s past looking for “dirt” of some kind (why??) or posting traffic accidents or speeding tickets that MB had 20 years ago or 10 years ago or anything else. It is not because I am being “holier than thou”… if such things exist, they are unimportant and have nothing to do with this case…

[sid]

@Angela Freda

Tie it to drivers license renewal [again would be by state, but still]. That would get some of the n’er do wells.

Many license revocations never stopped my gal from continuing to drive. Always above the law.

[Scribbler]

Huh. I thought all teens bought alcohol on the sly if they could. Was standard behaviour in my suburb.

As far as the car it’s also standard enough for parents with cash to buy their kids mid range cars, or at least let them drive them. And yes sometimes new drivers have accidents. That’s why they pay so much more in insurance, it’s a statistical fact that teens drive poorly. Nothing in that scenario in isolation tells us whether child is going to continue on to become a respected professional with multiple degrees, a champion athlete, or a trust fund laysbout and grifter st 40.

In retrospect yeah you can say “bad seed” but the incident in isolation tells us nothing meaningful.
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[eggbutt]

@smoofox

Exactly right. Careful - now you will be accused of supporting LK or something … simply because you did not GASP! in astonished amazement/outrage at the info about a car wrecked by a 17 year old in 1998 and wave it around as profound evidence of… well - nothing, really.

Yes, there is definitely enough current info around to illustrate her character!

Question: is anyone posting here the same person they were at 17 (unless you are close to that now)? I doubt it. I sure as hell am not. shrug

Yeah, no. I would not be digging through MB’s past looking for “dirt” of some kind (why??) or posting traffic accidents or speeding tickets that MB had 20 years ago or 10 years ago or anything else. It is not because I am being “holier than thou”… if such things exist, they are unimportant and have nothing to do with this case…

It is ALL relevant in showing a troubled individual.

[trubandloki]

Heck, I am shocked by the tangent… just the part where people do not think it is weird for a 17/18yo to have a brand new car that was not crazy cheap.
Clearly different circles.

[2centsworth]

@trubandloki

Heck, I am shocked by the tangent… just the part where people do not think it is weird for a 17/18yo to have a brand new car that was not crazy cheap.
Clearly different circles.

Just shows the realities of the horse world (and the real world). Some of us had to share the family car, or work hard to drive an old beater, and some of us were handed a $24,000 car and crashed it into a tree… Some of us had to work hard and clean stalls to ride the trainers older horses or younger untrained horses, and others imported a horse from the Netherlands… life isnt fair, but we all have a choice on how much dramatics are in our lives…

[mbdsea]

@eggbutt

It is ALL relevant in showing a troubled individual.

Oh gosh. A 17 year old who gets in a couple of accidents or who drinks is not necessarily a “troubled individual.” I’ve known plenty of teens who do or have done things like that. Executive function and other things don’t work as well in a teenager’s squash. It’s really not at all relevant to what an individual may or may not be like 20 years later. Nor would a court let all that information into evidence - not relevant.

I’ll say that I don’t think shooting her was the way to resolve a business or property/possession of property dispute. Period. I don’t see any facts related to self-defense here, either. A person claiming self-defense has a duty to retreat before taking matters into his or her own hands, if possible. Don’t see that happened. You’d really have to be boxed in to claim self-defense. Guess we’ll find out as the facts develop.

Would I want to be friends with LK? Nope. WAY too much drama there, and life in general can be dramatic enough. Ha. Do I think she “deserved” to get shot? Nope. While I get that she may have been engaging in harassment and/or online bullying (and, yes, I’ve seen some of the texts to GJ if I recall correctly), a person can - and SHOULD - use civil process - rather than a gun - to sort that out. Judges - and juries in particular - are actually pretty smart and get it right most of the time. Short of an actual threat of fairly serious physical harm, shooting someone is simply not an appropriate, justifiable response, regardless of what the shooting victim said or did.

Better yet, just ignore dramatic types altogether. Without oxygen, there’s no fire.

[MHM]

@AnotherRound

Well. If she actually gets a court date for the civil suit, Then EVERYONE will know where and when to find her to serve her papers on their cases.

Also, aren’t ride times posted in advance at dressage shows?

[Ghazzu]

@trubandloki

Heck, I am shocked by the tangent… just the part where people do not think it is weird for a 17/18yo to have a brand new car that was not crazy cheap.
Clearly different circles.

I was over 30 before I ever got a new vehicle. (and even then, it had manual hub locks on the 4WD because…cheaper.)

[CanteringCarrot]

@MHM

Also, aren’t ride times posted in advance at dressage shows?

This is actually a decent idea. I’m also surprised no one has been able to catch her at the stable…if she actually spends time there regularly.

*I don’t know the legalities of serving someone in the US/NJ/NC/FL

[rothmpp]

@Ghazzu

I was over 30 before I ever got a new vehicle. (and even then, it had manual hub locks on the 4WD because…cheaper.)

I’m over 30 and I’ve NEVER owned a new vehicle. It was at one point a life goal to own a car that did not have someone else’s butt print in it first, but there are way more things for me to spend money on these days than a car that loses 20% of it’s value the first year of ownership.

[Scribbler]

@Ghazzu

I was over 30 before I ever got a new vehicle. (and even then, it had manual hub locks on the 4WD because…cheaper.)

Well, the only I new car I ever had was the one my dad bought me when I was 18 but my name was never on the title. I went on to be a hardworking self sufficient adult who has always bought second hand cars for cash. New cars just seem like the worst deal ever :).

Point being that cars for kids is a function of cash in the family and cash in the family is unrelated to whether kid turns out a good human being or not.