Wood chewing S.O.B. wish they'd told me..

[I_ride_Gibson]

Horses are still livestock. They are not people. To me, it sounds as if the OP did everything right by that horse. Why should she compromise her facility for one animal? He now has a happy home, and if that does not work out, he will be used for other purposes.

Don’t get me wrong; I love my horses. But they are not humans. I doubt anyone would have this discussion over a llama, cow, moose, rabbit, etc. People frequently send cows to slaughter that cannot be contained in a fenced area. Its not like the OP whipped the horse into submission or tied it to a post and left it to die.

[kookicat]

[QUOTE=I ride Gibson;6296111]
Horses are still livestock. They are not people. To me, it sounds as if the OP did everything right by that horse. Why should she compromise her facility for one animal? He now has a happy home, and if that does not work out, he will be used for other purposes.

Don’t get me wrong; I love my horses. But they are not humans. I doubt anyone would have this discussion over a llama, cow, moose, rabbit, etc. People frequently send cows to slaughter that cannot be contained in a fenced area. Its not like the OP whipped the horse into submission or tied it to a post and left it to die.[/QUOTE]

Because this OP was willing to throw this horse away without trying anything- even basic things like painting nasty tasting things on her wood or finding a muzzle that works.

[Carolinadreamin]

Was this the horse that you started the following thread about? http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350634

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=I ride Gibson;6296111]
Horses are still livestock. They are not people. To me, it sounds as if the OP did everything right by that horse. Why should she compromise her facility for one animal? He now has a happy home, and if that does not work out, he will be used for other purposes.

Don’t get me wrong; I love my horses. But they are not humans. I doubt anyone would have this discussion over a llama, cow, moose, rabbit, etc. People frequently send cows to slaughter that cannot be contained in a fenced area. Its not like the OP whipped the horse into submission or tied it to a post and left it to die.[/QUOTE]

No, to me it sounds like she shoved him off on the first person who agreed to take him and washed her hands of him even though there were many more options…I guess she’s pissed because her precious fence was chewed.

It’s the callous attitude that really gets me. And yes, horses are livestock, but it sounds like this is a talented horse that deserves a chance.

And…I just lost my “Brownie”, so I guess I have an extra dose of pissed off just because. Here’s what she posted to me…

Laura,
You have unlimited, free “Brownie” squidgies whenever you like. Come on up.

I think he’s one of those 'hug" type horses. Sweet face.

[Carolinadreamin]

Is this the same horse that the OP earlier described as a biter? I thought he was perfect on the ground?

[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;6272471]
Thoroughbred grooms are the worst offenders, they figure if that lead chain occupies them, it’s all good.

I recently purchased a horse just like yours. Via internet, had NO idea he was a biter. Until he bit me, hard. He was in the cross ties and I was so stunned the first time, he didn’t get much but a holler and a smack.

The difference is, my horse is a huge draft cross field hunter. With a head like an anvil. A big anvil. He’s 8 years old and knows better.

The second time? I lit into him like the next thing he was going to see was God. Instantly and without one speck of guilt, I just about knocked him into his next birthday. I’m 5’4" this horse is 16.3 and probably weighs about 1500lbs.

He hasn’t done it since. He does open his mouth like Jaws, and act like he’s going to bite, and that is just bluff. He knows if he touches me again, that even Jesus won’t be able to save him.

I don’t give a damn how much money or how many ribbons a horse has won. That behavior is something that I refuse to tolerate, it’s dangerous for you and for other people.

I’ve seen someone’s lower lip get removed by a horse that everyone said was “just mouthy”. Several surgeries later, it’s still not pretty, and she was a very lovely girl.

Either discipline him, or get someone else to do it.[/QUOTE]

[Foxtrot_s]

Actually,she had only had the horse a week and it destroyed her place. I can see her being frustrated and misled by the previous owners. I see her post as more of a vent and it seems she’s found a suitable place. Given time when cooler heads prevail I’d think she would re-think the situation…and take the posters’ offers to take the horse. He is described as a very nice hunt horse
but she hadn’t even had time to bond with him.

I’ve taken a horse sight unseen and it worked out super.

[kookicat]

But that’s just part of owning horses. I’ve brought new horses home and they’ve broken fences or damaged things. I never just passed them on to the first person willing to take them.

[vineyridge]

If anyone needs a non chewable cladding for a stall, take a look at FarmTek’s Poly Max boards. It’s a smooth, kick proof (they say), plastic that comes in sheets that are very easy to install (and clean).

[Somermist]

[QUOTE=kookicat;6296115]
Because this OP was willing to throw this horse away without trying anything- even basic things like painting nasty tasting things on her wood or finding a muzzle that works.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

[Zu_Zu]

This is a NIGHTMARE ~~~ due to a DISHONEST SELLER !

Basically this is a nightmare of a story because of a dishonest seller !

The seller should take the horse back ~ IMHO

I am so sorry this has happened ~

Jingles this horse lands in a happy home ~

Again I am sorry for ALL involved ~

[red2004]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;6295844]
Except ReSomething, if he doesn’t work out for the huntsman, he’s going to be fed to the hounds. I guess no one better ever piss off the OP. This one just really ticks. me. off![/QUOTE]

How bizarre is this. Is the OP a nut? Honestly, I have someone that just lost her hunt horse to a pasture accident… She’d probably take him in a heart beat… The whole thread bugs me,too. I’m not reading it anymore…

[alto]

@2ndyrgal;6294553

wish they’d told me…

I suspect the horse would say the same :rolleyes:

[Carol_Ames]

apple cider vinegar

I recently read an article about using this; I believe it said a cup and a half :eek: daily; I’ll see if I can dig out that article again; meanwhile use the ulcer med:yes:

[rebecca_yount]

[edit] Like I said in my earlier post, who would buy a horse SIGHT UNSEEN, not have it vetted, apparently (or not vetted well since she was bitching about dishonesty about the horse’s age, too), and then complain about a habit? Does not sound like a sensible, experienced horse owner.

I would NEVER want a horse to go to this person. [edit]

I don’t have a problem having a horse put down humanely, but this woman sounds like she is just looking for attention all the time with her sob stories.

And referring to a horse as an S.O.B. is just ridiculous. He is just being a horse.

Hope you don’t find another one. You don’t deserve to have one.

[Carol_Ames]

apple cider vinegar how much?

I did a quick search and found from 2 ounces to 2 cups! the answer probably lies between :winkgrin:the two, when you find out, please let us know!:lol:

[sdlbredfan]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;6295742]
You know OP, I’m actually quite horrified with your attitude. I have two people who are VERY interested. But yet, if he doesn’t work out, he’s hound food?

I hope no one sells you another horse! Then your fences and barn will remain pristine. Let’s hope you don’t become incontinent or drool when you get old…off to the knackers.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!
ETA, I just read what Hinderella said, which is so well-written I wish I had thought to say it! (I am referrring to the "I too, am appalled and horrified. I would be very hard put to take another horse, but I was getting ready to discuss just that possibility with my husband. But it appears that the OP has made a decision, not just for herself but for anyone else willing to take this horse, that he should not have another chance.

I hope that the huntsman has more sense.

When the OP was looking for this horse, she received many suggestions from folks here who knew of good horses that were available. I’m sure those folks are all glad that she didn’t choose those horses.

And I’m sure that when the OP posts, yet again, about her search for her next horse, that she will be greeted with a resounding…silence")

I feel so sorry for that horse, and I also hope the huntsman is the horseman the OP clearly is not.

I just thought of something. This horse was described as probable draft cross. Drafties are quite prone to one of 2 varieties of polysaccharide myopathies, and thus often need a high fat diet. Horse was also described as a ‘has not missed meals…sofa’ and was put out into a field with almost no grass in it. I would be willing to bet that the poor horse just needed better attention to his diet than anyone in his recent past was giving him. He was probably a wood chewer due to being starving despite looking oveweight. It seems to me that a high fat/low starch but lots of hay cuisine, with him in a portable metal pipe paddock would have fixed him up in no time. Oh, that’s right, in order for that to happen the human has to have the intellect and the desire to find out what the root cause of the behavior might be, and must have the desire to fix it.

[skydy]

Surely once you’ve thought it over, if your huntsman doesn’t want him ,you will provide huntsman with the names of the COTHers who have a home for him?

I can’t imagine that you would be so angry with the horse that you wouldn’t let him have a chance with someone else.

[SwampYankee]

It’s like this:

There are two basic types of “horse people”:

Traditionalists: Horses are livestock, posessions, chattel, means-to-an-end, and, while living beings, their right to live and be cared for are primarily conditional upon their utility for the purpose at hand. “He either pulls his weight or I run him through the sale.”

Pet/Companion: Horses are primarily companion animals who depend upon and put their trust in mankind. While it’s preferable to be able to use them, they still deserve to be properly cared for by someone over their lifetime regardless, and they posess a “personhood” equal to dogs and cats. “Of course Katie’s outgrown him, but this is his “forever” home.”

Most of us, most days, under most circumstances, are somewhere in between. But there’s really no point in flingin’ the vitriol, because this is basically a “religious” argument. Best to try and see each others’ POV.

[sdlbredfan]

SwampYankee, you left out the third category, that of ‘horseman/horsewoman’ meaning someone who may have a job for the horse to do and a need for the critter to earn its keep, yet realizes that the horse deserves and will perform better if it receives the proper and necessary care and attention applied to its diet, its environment, and its general state of health and happiness.

[Hinderella]

SwampYankee, I’m afraid I have to disagree with you a bit here. You are on target with your characterization of the spectrum of animal ownership. But in this particular instance, if the OP fell into the category of “traditionalist”, she had other options for relieving herself of the horse. Several people have come forward to say that they would take the horse, even knowing his vice.

The OP has posted in the past about wanting to “bond” with her horse, and wanting a horse that’s not too stand-offish, which would lead one to believe that she would not quite fall into your traditionalist category.

Instead, this seems more a case of exacting a sort of revenge on the horse for the damage he’s done, when of course the horse has no concept of either damage or revenge.

As Skydy has written, I hope that the OP will inform the huntsman that there are volunteers to take this horse if he doesn’t work out there.