Would barn lights left on keep active cougar away? Update Post #22 - Mtn. lion killed

A neighbor three doors down lost two pygmy goats (kept in a stall at night) to a mountain lion last night. That’s a little too close for comfort (we’ve had other mountain lion attacks on this same street but further away). I’m worried about my minis (and my big horses, as well, although they seem more able to take care of themselves). My horses all come in to a shedrow barn at night, with paddocks. The paddocks open to a two-acre field where the horses go in the daytime. Behind the field is a large creek area and national forest land. This is where the mountain lions (and occasional bears) come from. Lots of deer, bobcats, coyotes etc. in there.

Since this recent attack happened just last night, I’m concerned the mtn. lion might be hanging around. All I can think of to do to protect the horses is to leave the barn lights on all night (which also turns on the lights leading down to the barn from the house). Shutting the horses into their stalls (closing off their runs) won’t help because the lion jumped over the top of a stall door to get to the goats) so even if I shut the back of the stall, I can’t do anything about the front of the stalls, which have doors with yokes on them.

At a certain point, one can only do so much. Do you think the lights are of any help? I feel badly for the horses losing their nice, dark stalls but I just turned on the lights the aisle, not the stalls.

Any other ideas? Fish and Game is going to try and hunt the mountain lion but that could take time.

Are you unable to shut up the barn up all the way so the big cat can’t get into the barn at all?

Get yourself an Akbash dog or two.

I’d install a motion sensing light at each ingress point.

No, mountain lions are active all day and night and don’t care if the light is on or not.

The best way to keep anything safe from them is keeping your animals where the lion can’t get to them, hard to do 24/7 and hunting the lion so it stays away, they are shy or kill it.

We never had to kill one, ours generally move on every few weeks, don’t stay in one area but a few days and being solitary and keeping a large territory to each lion, they just are not many around.

The few animals they do take, well, hopefully it won’t be yours or your family.

Dogs only help so much, generally to alert and make it uncomfortable to the lion, but a lion intent on getting something won’t really pay them much attention and no dog is a match for a lion, not without people backing that dog with guns.

Let game wardens take care of the situation and try to keep your animals where a lion can’t get to them easily is best.

I had a big long post with all kinds of suggestions and then I saw it was a shedrow barn, that’s tough!!! How many horses and stalls? I would try to rig some sort of top stall door (plywood?) that you can put on at night and take off in the morning…Maybe just a couple blocks of wood as a ledge for the wood to sit on and then a piece of wood on each side as a turn type lever to keep it there and all you have to do to get it off is turn the two levers and pull wood off the ledge but it would hold from horses poking it off and block anything getting in. I think if I lived in that area and thought this could be a not uncommon occurrence I would be getting two BMCs or some such non backing down large dogs. Two, not one.

The trouble with depending on any dog/s to attack a lion while on their own is that you will end up with injured and dead dogs.

The best way to deter any wildlife that is a problem is to make it uncomfortable for it to roam around, have much activity around your place and animals and that will keep disturbing them, so they go somewhere else where it is more quiet.

Mountain lions don’t know the difference between your back 40 and the yard in front of your house, it is all “their land” to hunt and defend when they are spending time there.
We have had lions chase deer by our horse runs and right in front of our horse barn.
A neighbor had one come get a drink out of a trough in his cattle pens, as he was right there, not that far from that tank, working on the fence.

Call your game warden and see what they tell you to do where you are, they will know more than we do from where we are.

You might try playing a radio as well. But as others have said, keeping your animals where the cat can’t get to them is the only 100%.

Can you get a full screen door that you can install that will go all the way to the top of the opening? Like one of these?

http://www.lucasequine.com/screens.html

We’ve had mountain lions (cougars) come by here. Neighbours all around us have lost livestock, goats, sheep, orphan calf (in the barn), and a yearling horse (all died) and a young foal (survived). We have had no problem with them here (yet) with our horses. Our horses live together much of the time, in a herd, turned out 24/7. The herd looks after itself, posts sentries, protects youngsters. The herd is alert, and active. They have area that is open, not treed. Cougars like to drop down onto prey from a point of altitude, so open areas are more difficult for them to hunt prey. This seems to be the most effective situation, if your barn is not cougar proof, or can not be made cougar proof. When the orphan calf was taken next door, I had an orphan foal in a stall in our barn at the same time. Very quickly, I put that foal in with a protective foster mother, and turned them both out with the herd in an open field.

But the underlying issue is that when you bring little defenceless farm animals into cougar territory, you are offering them to the cougar as dinner. Everyone has to eat. Is it right that the cougar has to die just because it is trying to survive in the natural way of being a cougar? This is a bit of a hot topic around here. I don’t know the answer to this question.

My friend who lives a few miles away as the crow flies has a neighbor who put up a night cam because they suspected there was a mountain lion in their neighborhood who got the other neighbor’s goats a few times. Sure enough, it was caught on the cam, drinking from a stream that runs through her property.

I don’t know what the answer is - our barn (at our old place) has one of those really bright flood lights that Mr. PoPo always complained about, but I figured if a mountain lion had a choice it would prefer to hunt in the dark versus being seen in the bright light at the barn. Plus, there are plenty of deer and big wild hare around. We have two big dogs who are always on alert for anything. Granted, their barking gets annoying, but their different vocalizations clue us in on what’s going on (barkfest with the neighbor’s dog vs. deer/ducks/feral cat vs. UPS guy, whatever).

[QUOTE=poniesinthenight;8094347]
Get yourself an Akbash dog or two.[/QUOTE]

More than 1 LGD (Livestock guard dog) for mountain lion. Akbash, Great Pyrenees, Maramma, Anatolians and Kengals are all different breeds of LGDs. You will need EXPERIENCED dogs- no puppies or youngsters - so minimally 3 years old, younger than 10 for mountain lions.

I wonder if a motion activated sprinkler (we have a couple, brand name Scarecrow) would work as a deterrent, just outside the barn? We use ours to keep deer from eating certain things, but it is always a challenge to remember not to get hit by it ourselves. But the noise, spray, and surprise can be a good deterrent. Just don’t hit the UPS man, or your packages might get left at the gate after that. Fortunately we have gone through a few drivers since that happened…

Loud music is best. But once the lion has tasted the goats, he’ll be back for more to eat. Easy killing rather than having to hunt down deer and rabbits. Get the state to come out and trap him (or her). Especially if lion is a she as she’ll be having cubs and needing to eat more and more so she can nurse the cubs.

Lions used to be hunted with packs of dogs. A single dog or a couple of dogs will be killed and eaten by a lion.

Once the lion killed in a barn, not good to allow it to stay in the area.

I had a mountain lion set up shop at our house (in the woods) for a few weeks.

MOTION LIGHTS DID NOTHING. That cat would set them off at all hours! Thats how I knew he was out there.

Sprinkler is a good idea.

We had a neighbor lose a bunch of animals to a big cat. Goats, pigs, alpacas, lamas… The only thing that ended up working was a HIGH powered electric fence placed (tall) around all of the enclosures.

Oh - and there have been reports of a mountain loin roaming my boarding barn in the evening / night. We have lights everywhere at this barn, big flood lights, big lights on the power poles etc…

But I guess cats have been seen on this property over the years - and have never bothered the horses (thought is that they come for the water).

I’m hopping on this thread train as long as this topic is up; was thinking of starting a thread about this type of thing.

We are moving to a bigger property out of town (have been keeping horses in town, and a little nervous about the move) where there is certainly cougars and supposedly wolves. We are designing the facility from scratch, and are planning to do large, individual runs for a portion of the horses; is this putting them at risk? If there is a small horse or pony in one of theses runs, should I worry even more? I’ve got one little lesson pony at 13 hands and a 14 hand Welsh…

I can keep them stalled in an enclosable barn, but the hope is to do small group turnout all night (3-4) and now I’m wondering if that might even be too risky?

Would a perimeter electric fence deter predators? Bells on wire to at least let us know something is coming in? Is there a biological or chemical granule or liquid out there?

I’m sure I’m overthinking this but if I ever went out and saw one of mine hurt…:frowning:

I personally think stalling them puts them at greater risk. Safety in numbers and the space to run/kick/defend… They’d be outside if they were mine, vs in a stall.

This is from Washington Fish and Wildlife but might be of interest in other areas. Has some suggestions for preventing conflict. Living with Wildlife: Cougars

We have lots of coyote around here. Not on a par with a mountain lion, but they will eat small animals (they have gotten little dogs all too often and they think that chickens are very tasty.)

The solution people have here is to get a mule (some people get cute little donkeys – don’t think they probably help, but they are cute.)

Last winter my neighbor heard a lot of noise and went out. Mule was fine. Coyote was deader than a doornail.