The more I read the OP’s continued comments, the more I am convinced the OP is the owner of this mutt stallion.
Are you breeding for yourself? If there is a lot to fix on the mare, you’d probably do better to buy a horse/foal that suits your needs, temperamentally and athletically.
If you are breeding to sell, I think you would not recover your costs by breeding a mare with some problems to a TB/Draft cross or something on that theme. Not in this market. Buyers have better choices (and that would include you,if you decide to buy, and anyone to whom you might want to sell the foal, if you decide to breed.)
I am in a similar situation. I have a Pinto/Appy/TWH cross mare that I want to breed and I think a draft cross stallion would help produce a foal with a better temperament that I could hopefully fox hunt!
But the foal can only grow to be 16.1 hands or I’m going to put in on the truck to Canada myself.
I have a 1/4 Perch 3/4 TB that I love. Her sire stands LC outside C’ville VA if you are interested. That said I would NOT breed to the stallion in the OP.
An earlier poster mentioned the RID stallion Steeped in Luck. I agree he would make a nice cross. Another possibility might be HiFi if he is not sold http://www.belltowerstud.com/ look under for sale or lease
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I am in a similar situation. I have a Pinto/Appy/TWH cross mare that I want to breed and I think a draft cross stallion would help produce a foal with a better temperament that I could hopefully fox hunt!
But the foal can only grow to be 16.1 hands or I’m going to put in on the truck to Canada myself.[/QUOTE]
Is this a joke?
There is no way I would ever consider the stallion in the OP for siring sport horses. He may have a lovely temperament, but he has very little elasticity, or suspension, or scope in his gaits, and I cannot imagine him passing any real sport horse qualities on to his foals.
If the OP is serious about breeding a REAL dressage horse, she should consider one of the many approved WB stallions standing in this country. There are plenty of them with tons more to offer than that draft cross stallion, and many of them have really lovely temperaments. If you have a “quirky” mare, I would look for a WB stallion with a good, solid mind. Don Principe, for instance, is a really reliable guy, and Donnerhall blood tends to work quite well with Sandro Hit blood.
OP - I have to agree with those who say this stallion should not even have testicles. He would make a nice gelding, but even still, he is not a good or pretty mover and his build leaves a lot to be desired. A nice temperament is not enough to convince me to breed ANYTHING to him, let alone a nicely bred mare like you say you have. This stallion may be convenient but I think you would be sorely disappointed in the resulting foal.
WOW… you want something different go with color. There are a few nice colored stallions now. You want spots go with Sempatico. You want dilute go with Blue Eyed Dream or Mirabeau. They are avail with fresh so you don’t even have to worry about frozen. Please don’t choose the stallion down the street. The owner is a liar and he should be a gelding.
http://www.palominowarmbloods.com/blueeyeddream.html (doing Prix St. George )
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I didn’t think Pintennaloosa Walkers even existed??
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No. And no.
There are plenty of warmbloods who are not hot. Pick one.
When you breed to a draft cross, you also get the “cross”, in most cases, something hotter.
So you could get a foal that is short strided, clunky, short necked, stubborn and … wait for it…
still hot.
I had a lovely old J line DWB that was kicking quiet but hat a 10 walk an 8 trot and a 9 canter. Very old type, big boned, big old head, but perfect conformation and a big push from behind and a looooong neck.
Lots of insanely awesome stallions up for bid here including Sempatico.
http://www.legup-auction.org/cgi-bin/auction.pl?category=stallions
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Side comment: Are my eyes fooling me or are they riding this horse in an arena (Jan 1 video) with a loose horse in it? Does that not seem a bit dangerous?[/QUOTE]
Yes, she does appear to be riding a stallion in an arena that has,what appears to be, a loose large pony in the corner. And from the amazing amount of bouncing that rider is doing, I’m going to bet that if he throws even a little bit of attitude at her, she’s coming right off. But then, he is in a double bridle so that should make all the difference control-wise, right? sigh
No comment regarding the stallion the OP is looking at, but I have personally known half a dozen 1/2 WB, 1/4 TB, 1/4 Draft crosses and every last one of them was LOVELY. All had nice gaits, lovely temperaments and great feet, most could go barefoot. One was at my barn and was 1st level reserve champion for CDS one year. One is at the barn currently being started and is equally lovely in every way. This cross is becoming much more popular, at least from what I have seen.
So many people I know are wanting WB crosses with things like draft crosses, ponies, Friesians, etc. I will refrain from going into why… 
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No comment regarding the stallion the OP is looking at, but I have personally known half a dozen 1/2 WB, 1/4 TB, 1/4 Draft crosses and every last one of them was LOVELY. All had nice gaits, lovely temperaments and great feet, most could go barefoot. One was at my barn and was 1st level reserve champion for CDS one year. One is at the barn currently being started and is equally lovely in every way. This cross is becoming much more popular, at least from what I have seen.
So many people I know are wanting WB crosses with things like draft crosses, ponies, Friesians, etc. I will refrain from going into why… ;)[/QUOTE]
In this case, the woman is talking about 1/2 WB, 1/4 Paint, 1/8 Percheron, 1/8 Belgian.
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In this case, the woman is talking about 1/2 WB, 1/4 Paint, 1/8 Percheron, 1/8 Belgian.[/QUOTE]
I specifically said that I was no talking about the stallion the OP was referencing in her first post, but the cross itself. That is, if the OP decided to breed her WB mare to a nice TB/Draft cross stallion, it would not be an uncommon cross. It can actually be a very nice combination.
I can totally understand wanting to take a fancy but hot and/or difficult WB mare and looking at a more drafty type horse to cross her with.
I actually saw a very nice RID/TB/Belgian Draft cross last weekend.
I would never breed to the buckskin overo stallion in the video. He does seem to have a good attitude, evidenced by him tolerating that rider, but that would not be enough to cause me to breed a nice mare to a mutt, especially one with poor conformation and gaits. And I do wonder about the OP–she has a well-bred mare but doesn’t know how to spell Quaterback–and she supposedly bred to him??? Hmmmm…
Also, developing a good sporthorse is complicated and takes years of research and selective breeding–just because you saw one or two “nice” crosses doesn’t make it the same as taking a chance on a proven producing, tested and approved stallion with many offspring on the ground. Legitimate, responsible breeders and breed societies have spent hundreds of years to make a quality product.
It would be a waste and supremely unwise, IMO, to risk your nice mare (because it’s always a risk) on a stallion like this.
If I remember right, that stallion is located in WA.
Which means you are relatively near me, OP (if you are, in fact real).
Which means you should put your butt in a car and drive south, go meet some truly worthy stallions (Gatsby, or any of Wild Turkey’s boys, for example) and choose one that will produce a baby that has a good chance of having some resale value.
I hear Gatsby passes on a fantastic temperament. And If you’re concerned about the insemination, you could send your mare down to Oakhurst and let them manage EVERYTHING. I hear they have some pretty affordable packages.
Just caught this thread, and caught up on the other threads about how this horse has been misrepresented as well. What hits me in the eye is how awful his gaits are - what in the world is there about this horse which anyone would want in their babies? He moves like a pony. No impulsion, short strided, looks like riding a jack hammer, in my opinion. So no, hope the op doesn’t continue to look at him as a potential sire. I also agree the horse should be gelded. Nothing to see here, folks, move along!
You also almost booked this mare to Redwine?
But I thought you wanted dressage? And the fact that both breeders are dishonest tells me you need to get help with this vs getting ripped of in your haste to breed.
Then you mentioned this stallion is at your barn? Could it be you just want to breed cheaply? Something easy?
All of this is just not a good start for breeding a nice horse. It takes time and money and knowledge and good advice not a fat draft paint in the next stall…
1,000,000 times this. IMO when you breed your made you have a responsibility well beyond the foal… you are representing her. A stallion can “write off” a poor foal or two out of a sub standard mare. Your mare has far less opportunities to do that, and this foal reflects on her very strongly. You need to put an enormous effort into picking her stallion. It took me 3-4 years before I chose Concerto Grosso for my mare, and although I think I have already picked the next one I am skipping next year and will be watching him and analyzing the match for the next two years.
Why? I owe it to her. When you have a special mare, which is the only time you should breed, you owe doing your due diligence and giving her the best opportunity possible to produce something stellar.
It is not about convenience, or how cheap you can do it. If you want an average foal, for sure you can go buy one. If not please pick the BEST choice, not the easiest or most covenient.
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You also almost booked this mare to Redwine?
But I thought you wanted dressage? And the fact that both breeders are dishonest tells me you need to get help with this vs getting ripped of in your haste to breed.
Then you mentioned this stallion is at your barn? Could it be you just want to breed cheaply? Something easy?
All of this is just not a good start for breeding a nice horse. It takes time and money and knowledge and good advice not a fat draft paint in the next stall…[/QUOTE]
