Would you breed to a draft cross?

[JumperFyre]

[QUOTE=omare;6764556]
I suspect there are pedigreed warmblood stallions with a track record for improving and stamping temperment that would be a much better match.

The problem i have seen with draft crosses is that you can get the nonammie friendly brain you were trying to breed-out but now packaged in a powerful draft body (all 1600 pounds). You could end up with a duplicate of your mare’s brain --in a bigger body.[/QUOTE]

My experience with drafts has been not so nice. They were huge, hot headed horses who had bad footing, meaning they tripped a lot.

I don’t like drafts or draft crosses for sport horses, but mostly because of my experience with them. Breeding to good horses is risky but breeding to a mutt or creating a mutt is even riskier. Lets not breed horses for slaughter. We need to create breeding restrictions in the USA. Maybe a little OT but how do Europeans contain breeding? They don’t have the issues we have, correct? Why?

[JWB]

[QUOTE=JumperFyre;6768556]
Maybe a little OT but how do Europeans contain breeding? They don’t have the issues we have, correct? Why?[/QUOTE]

They eat their mistakes. Literally.

[JumperFyre]

[QUOTE=JWB;6768564]
They eat their mistakes. Literally.[/QUOTE]

Well other than that! Ugh makes me gag a little. (Vegetarian here)

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=JWB;6768564]
They eat their mistakes. Literally.[/QUOTE]
We simply fill up rescues with them …

I give the very patient horse that is standing in the corner (I like to assume tied there) a ton of credit. This horse is aimed right towards him and he does not seem to mind (to much).

[Graymaresrule]

[QUOTE=JWB;6768564]
They eat their mistakes. Literally.[/QUOTE]
Yup

[skydy]

“SporthorsesRus” was the owner that falsified the stallion’s pedigree and was standing it at stud as a Polish Warmblood (and when outed on this BB didn’t seem to think that it was a big deal).

I would have absolutely nothing to do with a SO like that, even if the horse was suitable to breed, which it really is not.

[Kadenz]

MBM, in your quest to be open-minded, did you breed your nice Wolkentanz mare to a pony that is as all-around unimpressive as this draft cross? I highly doubt it.

Do you even WATCH the video? No, he’s not hare-brained nuts or anything, but he’s about as unspectacular as anyone could ever ask for. His conformation is distinctly “enh” in a few areas, and he’s definitely not trained to 3rd, unless you mean “can do a flying change when he’s lucky.”

And what part of that BOUNCING rider made you think this stallion looks “easy to ride?”

:lol: People sometimes see what they want to see, I guess.

Also, count me in the group that seriously doubts any of this OP was sincere. Anyone who would put THIS specific draft cross stallion on the same list as Redwine, both to breed a Sandro Hit mare, is either lying or just basically confused.

[sid]

I don’t know the history of the OP’s “choice” of stallion posted (whether it is hers or not). Obviously there is past history and I don’t have time to find it.

What the heck IS the breeding? Now I’m curious.

He seems like an affable guy and willing to work, but of course that’s only one of a slew of reasons in deciding to male horse intact and used for breeding. Of ANY breed.

What is he…a “Gypsyclydeobred”?

[sid]

[QUOTE=JWB;6768564]
They eat their mistakes. Literally.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! And they find foal particulary delectible.

Blech. :mad:

[Nootka]

He was a stallion named Freelance who was bred and born in Canada at Twin Valley Ranch. He is a frame overo silver dapple buckskin ½ paint and ½ draft. From Tye Dye Equine before he was sold to SporthorsesRus then…

He turned into Wolny Mischiel

Sporthorses R Us had him on her site as a Polish WB with a pedigree. It was stolen from a true Polish WB gelding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jd4i6eMiHw

She had him advertised as “Wolny Mischiel” at least she change the name so it wasnt the same as the horse for sale on youtube.

Pedigree below:

Lolek
Wotum
Werona

Wolny Mischiel

Arlin
Wendeta
Warmia

He is not even recorded in RPSI book II and is not approved for breeding for any registry. That pedigree belongs to a European horse - NOT “Wolny Mischiel” - who is a draft cross from Canada - And doesn’t appear to have a valid pedigree available anywhere. "

[sid]

Geez. Horse breeding is very simple and clear when honesty abounds. Guess not with this one.:no:

[volvo_240]

[QUOTE=sid;6768873]
Exactly! And they find foal particulary delectible.

Blech. :mad:[/QUOTE]

OT, but we eat veal, and lamb, etc -same thing just different cultural perception. If you are a vegetarian good for you, talk all the smack about eating horses you want. Otherwise…

BTW I hope the op (if not a troll) takes your advice to heart since you clearly know how to do the draft cross thing the RIGHT way

[classicsporthorses]

JuperFyre if you look at todays Modern WB bloodlines, they are all “mutts” and many are sadly way to inbred, just as our TB and QH lines have gotten over the years.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=classicsporthorses;6769835]
JuperFyre if you look at todays Modern WB bloodlines, they are all “mutts” and many are sadly way to inbred.[/QUOTE]

Care to list some examples of these “way too inbred” warmbloods?

[DownYonder]

And I will hazard a guess that the “horse or pony in the corner” is the companion of the draft stallion in question. And maybe he isn’t so quiet and mannerly when his companion is out of sight…

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6769936]
And I will hazard a guess that the “horse or pony in the corner” is the companion of the draft stallion in question. And maybe he isn’t so quiet and mannerly when his companion is out of sight…[/QUOTE]

Since the OP claims to board at the same barn maybe they can clarify what is going on with the critter in the corner.

[Appsolute]

OP seems to have left the building.

OP? Allie? Please enlighten us.

[Graymaresrule]

[QUOTE=classicsporthorses;6769835]
JuperFyre if you look at todays Modern WB bloodlines, they are all “mutts” and many are sadly way to inbred, just as our TB and QH lines have gotten over the years.[/QUOTE]
It’s hard to imagine an inbred mutt

[Perfect_Pony]

[QUOTE=carolprudm;6770151]
It’s hard to imagine an inbred mutt[/QUOTE]

It’s quite easy actually. A mutt bred to it’s own mutt father for example. Two mutt siblings bred to each other. The possibilities are endless.

[alto]

[QUOTE=mbm;6768064]
so am i reading you folks correctly? either people need to breed the best of the best (aka horses that cost a lot of dough) OR they must settle for the rejects that are at slaughter plants?

really?

while i have no dog in this fight, when i watch the videos of the stallion i see a horse that is trying his heart out, whose temperament appears to be very good and who appears to be trained to 3rd level…

those all appear to be traits that most ammies would really appreciate.

so my guess is most folks are attacking this one horse not because of who he is but because folks don’t like his owner.[/QUOTE]

Seriously :eek:
Did we watch the same video
Even the “at liberty” (OK “at chase”) doesn’t show much dressage prospect in this stallion
Is he a sweetheart, maybe …

On a more positive note, if that is 3rd level - excellent news!!! FP will be ready to go PSG this spring! <handsprings>
EXCEPT I’ll need a new trainer, no way either current trainer will allow that … hmmmm … gets out the 411 …