WPMT Harrisburg PA to do story on racing's "drug culture" tonight

[sjdressage]

Also, I want people on here to know that I have seen MAJOR changes to protect horses and level the playing field in recent years. People should not think that nothing is done. Most of these changes were made in agreement with horseman:

-LASIX administered by commission vets, private vets not allowed near “in today” horses. This is to eliminate additional race day treatment which is not allowed.
-lowering of bute threshold from 5mcg to 2mcg so vets can do a more accurate pre race exam. This is a major difference.
-prerace blood gas testing to prevent milk shaking
-2-3 week withdrawal period for clenbuterol basically eliminating its use in tbs. Here I think the horses get the short end of the stick because some guys abused it and it is effective for controlling mucous, etc.
-pushing back withdrawal of joint injection medications including depo which I believe is now recommended at three weeks.
-new claiming rules in some jurisdictions that void claims on horses returning lame.
-more aggressive policing of barn area on race day. Penn national is getting raked over the coals but the commission is patrolling there.

Some of the things I’ve mentioned are part of the new uniform rules that are adopted in many states and others have been around for a little while. So please don’t say the industry is not policing itself or doesn’t care about the horses. These are all steps in the right direction.

[brightskyfarm]

I find it disturbing that the lawmakers and horse advocates that speak so badly of horse racing are so willing to stick their hands in the pot to take 72 Millon from the horsemen (oh yes with promises of paying back)…

from another perspective ... I was taught to never bite the hand that feeds.

[ThisTooShallPass]

Stop constantly comparing racing in Louisiana vs England. Like they are the only two places in the world with horse racing.

[Angelico]

[QUOTE=ThisTooShallPass;7461962]
Stop constantly comparing racing in Louisiana vs England. Like they are the only two places in the world with horse racing.[/QUOTE]

I will as soon as I stop hearing, "We should be like Europe". We are NOTHING like Europe.

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=Angelico;7462388]
I will as soon as I stop hearing, "We should be like Europe". We are NOTHING like Europe.[/QUOTE]
You’re sure right about that. Finally something we can agree on. Europe doesn’t wear cowboy hats in Thoroughbred circles. They have no mechanical walking machines. They don’t put any rubber bands around horses hocks. Nor does one ever hear of horses being deliberately harmed there.

I’m sure they have no idea what they’re missing being without our colorful denizens though. Is certainly never a dull moment.

[sjdressage]

Well…there certainly has been some juicy press coming out of Europe lately that ruins the mirage. Nitrotain, illegal medications tracked from airport, etc. You’ve never heard of a horse being deliberately harmed in Europe? It happens. It’s funny, I travelled to the south once (u.s.) for business and everyone was so polite on the street. Lots of good mornings and comments on the weather from complete strangers. Later, I was telling a bartender how nice everyone was compared to NY where people don’t even see each other. They told me that there were a@$holes everywhere, you just can’t tell who they are in the south. So don’t think Europe is so holy.

[Angelico]

[QUOTE=Profidia;7463685]
You’re sure right about that. Finally something we can agree on. Europe doesn’t wear cowboy hats in Thoroughbred circles. They have no mechanical walking machines. They don’t put any rubber bands around horses hocks. Nor does one ever hear of horses being deliberately harmed there.

I’m sure they have no idea what they’re missing being without our colorful denizens though. Is certainly never a dull moment.[/QUOTE]

If it’s so peachy in Europe, why don’t you move there? Please.

[sjdressage]

Also, what is wrong with the cowboy hat? I worked in California at the track and thought it was pretty cool. These guys would have their jeans and shirts starched and pressed. It actually looked really clean and professional. No skole rings in the paddock there.

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=Angelico;7464661]
If it’s so peachy in Europe, why don’t you move there? Please.[/QUOTE]Been there already. Have you?
There are places in this world where ignorance and lack of sophistication aren’t looked upon as a virtue.

@sjdressage;7464717

Also, what is wrong with the cowboy hat? I worked in California at the track and thought it was pretty cool. These guys would have their jeans and shirts starched and pressed. It actually looked really clean and professional. No skole rings in the paddock there.

If I have to explain it you wouldn’t understand

[Angelico]

@Profidia;7464989

Been there already. Have you?
There are places in this world where ignorance and lack of sophistication aren’t looked upon as a virtue.

Yes I have been there actually. It wasn’t for me. I prefer my cowboy hat wearing horsemen, and I’m the one between you and I that makes my living in the industry.

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=Angelico;7465037]
Yes I have been there actually. It wasn’t for me. I prefer my cowboy hat wearing horsemen, and I’m the one between you and I that makes my living in the industry.[/QUOTE]
Good for you, hope you enjoyed your trip. Is also good to hear you work for a living.
Try not to assume things about me though. I can guarantee you have no idea who I am or what I’ve done. It’d shock you if you had a clue.

[Angelico]

[QUOTE=Profidia;7465074]
Good for you, hope you enjoyed your trip. Is also good to hear you work for a living.
Try not to assume things about me though. I can guarantee you have no idea who I am or what I’ve done. It’d shock you if you had a clue.[/QUOTE]

The things you say already shock me. :lol:

[sjdressage]

[QUOTE=Profidia;7464989]

If I have to explain it you wouldn’t understand[/QUOTE]

No, I wouldn’t understand someone that judges someone based on the hat they wear. That is really strange. Are you aware that Larry Jones wears a cowboy hat? I’ve stabled near them and can assure you their horses look REALLY good. So much that I’d like to go through their garbage to see what they feed them.

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=sjdressage;7465703]
No, I wouldn’t understand someone that judges someone based on the hat they wear. That is really strange. Are you aware that Larry Jones wears a cowboy hat? I’ve stabled near them and can assure you their horses look REALLY good. So much that I’d like to go through their garbage to see what they feed them.[/QUOTE]
I’m aware that Carlos Figueroa wears one as well as plenty of other bottom level claiming types. In short, it’s not a damned rodeo. Don’t drag it down to that level.

If rooting through garbage is your thing, you’ll find nothing in Mr Jones garbage. He was pretty outspoken about drug use until somebody hit one of his horses with something just to frame him and shut him up.

Besides him you’re liable to find lots of stuff from websites like this one:
http://horseprerace.com/
All guaranteed not to test or your money back. (Wonder if that still holds if you dont use lasix?)

[Angelico]

[QUOTE=Profidia;7466534]
I’m aware that Carlos Figueroa wears one as well as plenty of other bottom level claiming types. In short, it’s not a damned rodeo. Don’t drag it down to that level.

“Bottom level claiming types”… Huh? In your world, does everyone start out on the top? Where I’m from, we have to work our way up from the bottom, no matter what kind of hat we wear. I’ve had horses claimed from me, I’ve claimed horses, heck I’m entering one of my own in a claimer in a few weeks. On top of that, my fiancé will be wearing his cowboy hat in the paddock when we saddle her for that race. I must be pretty uncivilized, huh? Running my horse at the level she is capable of.

If rooting through garbage is your thing, you’ll find nothing in Mr Jones garbage. He was pretty outspoken about drug use until somebody hit one of his horses with something just to frame him and shut him up.

Besides him you’re liable to find lots of stuff from websites like this one:
http://horseprerace.com/

Here in 'Murica, the stupid cowboy hat wearing trainers spend more time with their horses than on the Internet. I’d never heard of that website until you brought it up, and I have NEVER seen one of their products, in anyone’s tack room. I have been in a lot of tack rooms.

All guaranteed not to test or your money back. (Wonder if that still holds if you dont use lasix?)[/QUOTE]

One of the best horsemen I ever met was a former bronc rider. I wouldn’t say that “drug” his shedrow down any, he had the most immaculate shedrow on the backside.

[Profidia]

“Bottom level claiming types”… Huh? In your world, does everyone start out on the top?
Not hardly, but they do at least start out with a modicum of class and self respect

Where I’m from, we have to work our way up from the bottom,
Uh, yeah I can see that
my fiancé will be wearing his cowboy hat in the paddock when we saddle her for that race.
No surprise there.
I must be pretty uncivilized, huh?
Don’t really know. To me you’re just somebody on the internet who really doesn’t matter about anything. My first impression of you with your friends in jail and such is that you’re an underacheiver and damn proud of it.

Here in 'Murica, the stupid cowboy hat wearing trainers spend more time with their horses than on the Internet.
So what’s your excuse? You seem to be on here every day. Pull down the hat keep your mind in the middle I guess.

I’d never heard of that website until you brought it up, and I have NEVER seen one of their products, in anyone’s tack room. I have been in a lot of tack rooms.
I’m sure you have but your time spent in tackrooms might be TMI for the general public.

Tell you what, being as you have a hard time keeping on topic I’ll help you out a bit. Never mind that other website you’ve nothing to learn from the likes of that one. Have a look at this one instead www.horseracingreform.org
Change is coming. It’s as unstoppable as a freight train. To continue defending the indefensible is foolish.

[sjdressage]

I was thinking that you would have understood that me going through Larry Jones’s garbage was a joke aimed at illustrating what a good horseman he is. Clearly you didn’t get it. You should meet them, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t speak so poorly of them if you did.

You should not generalize and stereotype people if you hope to initiate change in the industry, because you will lose credibility. Be accurate. The cowboy hat conversation is silly and just makes you look bitter, like you are just looking for something to attack. Are there rednecks in Pa that treat their horses like livestock that I don’t think are good horseman? Yup! Do some of them wear wranglers? Yup! But step out of your microspheres and you will see that most of the country dresses this way. It says nothing about their character.

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=sjdressage;7467215]
I was thinking that you would have understood that me going through Larry Jones’s garbage was a joke aimed at illustrating what a good horseman he is. Clearly you didn’t get it. You should meet them, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t speak so poorly of them if you did.[/QUOTE] Content for context seems to be a real problem around here. I referred to him as Mr Jones. When I see him that’s what I call him to his face. How do you possibly construe that as my speaking poorly of him. A close friend of mine worked for him for many years. All the people connected with him are among the best.

You should not generalize and stereotype people if you hope to initiate change in the industry, because you will lose credibility. Be accurate.
I’m not looking to initiate change in anything. I no longer care. Is more fun to point out the emporer is nekkid. If I did wish to do any such thing I believe there are much more effective ways to do that than typing on some internet forum.

The cowboy hat conversation is silly and just makes you look bitter, like you are just looking for something to attack.
Yes it is silly On that point we can certainly agree. Matter of fact it wasn’t anything I wanted to even get into but you two took it and ran with it. As to me, you show me somebody who hasn’t ever raised anybody’s ire I’ll show you somebody who never took a stand about anything. OTOH you two seem more bent on going against me on anything you can rather than focusing on the topic of the thread. I may have my faults but being wrong isn’t one of them.
Are there rednecks in Pa that treat their horses like livestock that I don’t think are good horseman? Yup! Do some of them wear wranglers? Yup! But step out of your microspheres and you will see that most of the country dresses this way. It says nothing about their character.
Let’s try the content for context thing just one more time. I said IN THOROUGHBRED CIRCLES In thoroughbred circles one doesn’t dress that way. Nor does one use nylon tack. There are many do’s and don’ts for messing with thoroughbreds but it really doesn’t belong on this thread. You want to go with this stuff start another thread for it. For me the juice just ain’t worth the squeeze.

@Me

Tell you what, being as you have a hard time keeping on topic I’ll help you out a bit. Never mind that other website you’ve nothing to learn from the likes of that one. Have a look at this one instead www.horseracingreform.org

Might you have anything to say in defense of the out of control drug use in the racing industry?

[sjdressage]

In thoroughbred circles people do use nylon bridles. Here are the current potential derby horses, many of them are wearing nylon.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses

These are the best thoroughbred three year olds in the country, from the best barns.

So, you should rephrase it as “your thoroughbred circle”.

[sjdressage]

I think I’ve heard of this guy in thoroughbred circles…

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-02/sports/bs-sp-kentucky-derby-0503-20130502_1_wayne-lukas-kentucky-derby-derby-runners

I thought in thoroughbred circles “one doesn’t dress this way”.