WTF Are We Doing?

@cstums,

Thank you for posting and for your very timely and on point reminders.

So, so sorry for your loss

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I’m sorry for your loss, cstums. be good to yourself.

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I am very sorry for your loss. Thank you for the information on the safety equipment she was wearing. She was truly an admirable equestrian from all that I have seen. :heart: :heart:

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Here is a link to Annie’s Obituary. May we all live sweeter, be kinder and ride on in her memory. http://www.buffalobulletin.com/obituaries/article_25199378-e99d-11eb-b3b4-2b8a0218c520.html

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Sharing this email I received from Stable View:
The past two weeks has given all of us at Stable View a period of time to reflect.

Although the following proposals would not have mitigated the tragic accident, we hope to learn and improve as a facility.

With due respect to those no longer with us, the following initiatives have been taken


  • The Stars and Stripes, Union Jack and South Carolina flags have been returned to their positions above the Pavilion.
  • Close to the Schooling Field entrance we are going to install a Blue Light Call Station. This will be connected to 911 and the Stable View Office.
  • We are going to upgrade our security camera - at present this is an aid for us so that we can see if anyone is riding. We’ll upgrade the system to show greater detail and provide more useful information from stored data
  • Over the past two weeks, Stable View staff have been trained in CPR and AED.
  • AED machine to be positioned by existing entry signage.
  • New Emergency Information notice to be positioned by entry signage

In addition, we are undertaking the following


  • A Magnolia Grandiflora has been planted in the Cross Country Schooling Field
  • One of the islands on the old cross country course is to become a natural Memorial Garden
  • There will be a Moment of Silence prior to Cross Country at the August Eventing Academy also the start of Oktoberfest 4* Cross Country.
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I’m glad Stable View sent that out. Have other venues done similarly after tragedy? I have (thankfully) never been a recipient of such communication.

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Morven sent out something, I think.

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Jet Set euthanized at the Olympics

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As a huge fan of this sport I have to admit that the Olympics this year are not helping the cause. The first ride had a horse/rider fall in the first minute, and countless other crashes and falls after that. Including the above mentioned Jet Set being euthanized after his fall.

I get that this is supposed to be the hardest course in the world. But I also get that these are the best horses and riders in the world and one of them died today and is anyone even surprised?

Are there any other Olympic sports where the risk of death and bodily harm is so high
? Obviously there are always freak accidents but at this point there is no ‘freak’ about it, these are just run of the mill accidents that stain our sport from gaining more support.

I think there is a part of this sport that makes it more challenging, riskier, more dangerous in an effort to draw more spectators and fans however this is actually pushing those potential fans farther away as we walk the thin line between entertainment and carnage. Watching cross country I feel nauseous, like watching a car crash, but in fact I am watching numerous crashes not knowing if the next one is going to break their neck or not. It’s terrifying, not entertaining.

However I love this sport and will defend it to the end. Improvements have been made - imagine if the fences didn’t fall at the Olympics this year. I for one would prefer to see a more speed-based cross country course with less difficult, lower obstacles. I would much rather watch 60 successful rounds that could take the more difficult option, the faster pace than watching the handful of horse and rider combinations who are able to finish the course with no penalties depending on the amount of luck they have that day.

That same handful of riders and horses would most likely win an easier course either way and we wouldn’t gain so much negative publicity for our sport in the meantime.

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I only saw 2 horses fall - both from Thailand. JetSet didn’t fall. He more collapsed from a catastrophic ligament rupture. It was unfortunate & my sympathies to his connections but it wasn’t the result of the course. The individuals are always a bit sketchy but overall I thought it went pretty well. :woman_shrugging:t2:

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Ignorance here (H/J person): could they make a more technical and bigger stadium jumping course and decrease the difficulty of the XC course in the name of safety?

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I know that this is beating a dead idea, but if eventing returned to the roots of being a test of endurance, stamina, and obedience instead of a test of who can jump the most technical fences on a twisty turny course, we’d be better off. Yes, fences being jumped XC is a defining aspect of the sport. But when Roads and Tracks and Steeplechase was axed, the jump courses had to become more technical to be able to distinguish between the competitors. But as I said, that’s an idea that’s gone by.

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The olympics is NOT supposed to be the hardest course in the world. It is not a 5* level competition like Badminton or Burghley. Instead, it is run at a lower level and is supposed to allow more nations to complete. And while there were many world class horses and riders there today there were others who’d just barely met minimum qualifications.

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I thought the Thai girl’s horse was backed off from the beginning and the rider lacked the fortitude to get the horse in front of her leg as I think the fence placement found them out. Hard lesson at her first Olympics Unfortunate, but it is the Olympics. The Jet Set horse had an injury that horse’s sustain playing in the field, and again unfortunate. I just would remind everyone that the good old days weren’t always good. Take the time to watch the old videos at length
the riding sucked, and the horsemanship was pretty poor at times. OG2020-_EQU_C77©B_EQUOEVENINDV----------XC–000100–.pdf (tokyo2020.org) gives a great overview of fence penalties across the board

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As a hunter-jumper person, I thought the Thai woman looked like a hunter rider, and I don’t mean that as a compliment. She was flowing around with a very light contact, hunting down to the first few jumps. It would have been very nice in a flat ring over 3’6" jumps. But even I know that is NOT how you approach a drop into water.

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Yes but with other sports you’re risking your own life whereas in our sport you’re risking two lives.

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I was talking with a friend about this and I don’t think either format is a paradigm of safety.

The old long format had its share of welfare concerns, too.

I don’t know what the answer is.

My heart goes out to Jet Set’s connections.

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Not for nothing, but
there weren’t “countless other crashes and falls after that.” There were three rider falls from 60 entries (see penalty analysis here: https://myinfo.tokyo2020.org/info-live-results/resOG2020-/pdf/OG2020-/EQU/OG2020-_EQU_C77(C)B_EQUOEVENINDV----------XC--000100--.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1_IltdTk7hfbrhNLdlT0YYfVW_B1xXwPBYCq5kOjDgfDR2zbA7X4wErm4), and Jet Set did not fall, he pulled up disastrously lame after a ligament rupture that, as many have mentioned, is an injury that could have occurred in almost any discipline. By historic standards, it was a pretty calm day


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They’ve done that already.

The difficulty of the XC course has already been decreased (or “dumbed down”) by the FEI, for the Olympics, to a 3* rating so more nations that don’t have an history, or have not had consistent access to good training in Eventing, can participate without killing themselves and their horses.

The Olympics are not the best of the Eventing competitions. Badminton and Burghley are examples of the best in Eventing.

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Thank you, this is helpful to know.

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