WTF Are We Doing?

[Janet]

@endlessclimb

Here’s the solution - have the fences fall down if a horse makes a mistake.

Horses also die jumping fences that fall down.

[Janet]

@fivestrideline

Some data on risk factors of fences would certainly tempt me back to the lower levels with a cattier animal. Even just a list of type of fence, height, distances if related, and environmental conditions (raining, water jump, light to dark, etc).

Every time a horse or rider falls there is a “fall report” which captures that information. The fall reports go to USEF, which won’t share them with USEA.

[DownYonder]

@Janet

Every time a horse or rider falls there is a “fall report” which captures that information. The fall reports go to USEF, which won’t share them with USEA.

I am curious as to the reason why USEF won’t share that info with USEA. Instead of engaging in a turf war with each other, shouldn’t the governing bodies be cooperating to make competitions safer?

[DownYonder]

@Amberley

Honesty you are wasting your time and energy. This poster is on these forums 24/7 dispensing her wisdom about how she’s would have done better on every single accident, incident or mild controversy. It’s not clear to me if they’ve ever seen or walked a xc course but they clearly want the sport banned.

Can you imagine being a fellow boarder or the trainer of this person?

[endlessclimb]

[SoCoPony]

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[Willesdon]

@Janet

@fivestrideline

Some data on risk factors of fences would certainly tempt me back to the lower levels with a cattier animal. Even just a list of type of fence, height, distances if related, and environmental conditions (raining, water jump, light to dark, etc).

Every time a horse or rider falls there is a “fall report” which captures that information. The fall reports go to USEF, which won’t share them with USEA.

Good grief! Why not?

[Sdel]

Hmmmm. This thread has been officially sea lioned.

[fivestrideline]

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@Janet

@fivestrideline

Some data on risk factors of fences would certainly tempt me back to the lower levels with a cattier animal. Even just a list of type of fence, height, distances if related, and environmental conditions (raining, water jump, light to dark, etc).
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Every time a horse or rider falls there is a “fall report” which captures that information. The fall reports go to USEF, which won’t share them with USEA.

Good grief! Why not?

Okay so the data is already collected, that’s great! I would hope it’s compiled somewhere (vs tossed into the Data Abyss entirely or in part). It sounds like the issue is the data just isn’t being provided to USEA and/or the general public?

I am interested in the reasoning as to why this isn’t already a thing. I would bet part of it is privacy concerns, but I think some really basic data (type of fall, horse or rider injury or fatality, fence type, and conditions) isn’t going to ping HIPPA or what have you. I’m happy to be corrected in that regard.

[Djones]

You have asserted the horse’s age was intentionally fudged, you’ve cast horrid aspersions against a complete stranger who was injured and whose horse is dead, you’ve maligned the farm where the event was held, you’ve mocked and derided and insulted the entirety of the sport, amateurs, officials and the neighbor’s dog.

And when reminded of those facts, you think it’s hilarious.

What a sad way to walk through the world.

[endlessclimb]

I’m laughing at the assertion that I’m a bad boarder because I like my horses to be safe. Or that my trainer wouldn’t like me because I refuse to over face a young horse.

If that makes me a bad boarder, kick me right out.

[SoCoPony]

[Djones]

@Djones

You have asserted the horse’s age was intentionally fudged, you’ve cast horrid aspersions against a complete stranger who was injured and whose horse is dead, you’ve maligned the farm where the event was held, you’ve mocked and derided and insulted the entirety of the sport, amateurs, officials and the neighbor’s dog.

And when reminded of those facts, you think what you are doing helps make the sport safer.

Better?

[endlessclimb]

I’m very disappointed your profile picture isn’t this:

And @Djones, sure. However, giving “my condolences” won’t change the next horse dying. We have been discussing the same thing, the same falls over the same types of fences, for YEARS now. Wouldn’t a true horseman say “enough is enough, I’m going elsewhere”?

Or, is your horse dying from a mistake on a course for nothing more than a ribbon a risk worth taking? Yeah, sure, horses die in turnout. But there’s a chasm of a difference between that and asking them to do things like “jump a max height/spread oxer with an iffy ground line.” If we don’t calculate the risk, then who cares what we do as a “sport” with them, right? Back to diving?

I apologize if anyone was offended by my tone. But I am extremely frustrated with the “thoughts and prayers” and “dont talk about it” attitude so many show here. If we aren’t disgusted by the death of a horse, the leadership surely doesn’t give a flying flip and would gladly take your money at the next event. You, and me, and all the other members need to put our feet down about transparency and action. Sitting back and saying “ohhh wellll that’s how it goessss” is never going to make this stop.

Remember this is all for a god damn ribbon, or the rush, or whatever people get out of it. Is it worth it? If your horse could talk how would he answer?

Another way to think about it, maybe… Would you put your infant child (decked out in all the newest safety gear) behind you as the driver for a motorcycle race? Why not?

[SoCoPony]

Oh I spy with my one good eye more snark from you.

That is all you really have, isn’t it?
Kind of sad, but hay it’s just this Pony’s opinion.

Since I am not a mean Pony I will say Good Day to you and with a little warning to make sure those scary little logs don’t jump up and eat you next time you are out and about on a ride.

[Djones]

@Djones

And when reminded of those facts, you think what you are doing helps make the sport safer.

You have ignored the data shared with you around safety improvements that have been made that are making a difference.

You apparently haven’t contacted USEA or contributed meaningfully through your direct communications with them.

You would have shared these meaningful actions had you done them.

Lashing out here accomplishes nothing to make that darn ribbon safer. Nada.

And please don’t tell yourself that you apologized. You didn’t. You tiptoed around doing so. “If” is the worst word in the middle of any apology. You KNOW you offended. Own it and apologize. More importantly, endeavor to act in ways that help the sport. Stop acting in ways merely serve to celebrate how upset you are and how easy you think it would be to fix it.

TLDR: do better

[Bogey2]

Didn’t someone post stats upthread saying there has been significant improvement in the last few years? Is that not enough? If you want it to be zero injuries etc then you should not be riding your horses at all and you should have them in small paddocks where they can barely move.

[SoCoPony]

There is of course always this option.

[DownYonder]

@Bogey2

Didn’t someone post stats upthread saying there has been significant improvement in the last few years? Is that not enough? If you want it to be zero injuries etc then you should not be riding your horses at all and you should have them in small paddocks where they can barely move.

Better yet - she should own motorcycles instead of horses.

[endlessclimb]

Isn’t the goal zero?

Or are we ok with some animals suffering fatal injuries on our behalf?