Ignored. Perfect example is the fences we know cause more falls, and bad falls, continuously used at practically every event.
Or the suggestion to use pins on fences yet the National bodies have failed to make it mandatory, hell even at WEG fences that could have been pinned, weren’t.
see my post above.
It appears to me than that because suggestions were not implemented they were perceived as ignored without knowing why the decisions were made the way they were???
Or were you party to the meetings and discussions about various suggestions and if and how they should be implemented?
Why do I need to be party to select meetings? With mostly people deciding about our sport safety who have no actual education in such or related fields? I can’t think of a good reason not to use pins. Or a good reason to keep using jump designs that cause falls.
What excuses would be OK to you??
“and always ignored.” Blanket statements, especially those that are not based in fact, are rarely useful. Continuing improvements in fence design are a necessity but ignoring the very real improvements in virtually every aspect of eventing safety is not a reasonable or valid argument.
I think if you actually glance at the bios of the folks working on our sport safety it would be very hard to support your argument regarding their qualifications. There is a strong mix of experienced riders, course designers, builders and engineers.
The improvements were mostly done without research first. Like pins for example/ The research which has been shared in this thread has been widely ignored.
No where did I say eventing safety has not improved. Can you share what improvements you have seen based on research?
Have you read this thread? These arguments have been rehashed several times. Being a course designer, builder etc does not give you expertise in safety. Neither does being an upper level eventer. That is a fact.
I’m not one to always assume that because a suggestion that I thought was a great idea wasn’t implemented that it was ignored if I wasn’t there for the discussions and meetings that preceded the decision.
I think Kate has the point I was trying to make 
I’m sorry but one or two eventing safety boards do not hold the key to eventing safety improvements. Many people in the mix have the chance to make these choices so not being at these “meetings” you refer to doesn’t mean I can not asses with my own eyes that things have been ignored.
Choosing to not pin fences when we know they greatly reduce the severity of a fall, and the fence CAN be pinned, is ignoring research.
These are the horses lost in 2018. 14 and we are in the 10th month of the year.
Jurta M Sept 2018 (POL) - CIC2* - collapsed and died on course
Shannondale Julius Sept 2018 (US) - Fell at a warm up fence and broke neck
Shadow Sapphire Sept 2018 (UK) - Prelim - fell at a Trakehner
Box Qutie Sept 2018 (US) - WEG - sustained irrepairable soft tissue injury and was euthanized.
HHS Dassett Appeal Aug 2018 - (UK) CCI3* Blair Castle - sustained irreparable injury.
BGS Country Dreams Aug 2018 (IRE) CIC3*- fell (non-rotational) awaiting necropsy.
Enchanted (USA) July 2018 - Slipped on a turn and fractured leg - Intermediate level
Axel Z (GER) June 2018 - Rotational fall at upright, spinal injuries -MIPS did not deploy Luhmühlen CCI****
Second Supreme (UK) June 8 2018 - Stumbled and collapsed after fence 24 Trakehner in the U25 CCI***
Redpath Ransom (UK) May 6 2018 - Suffered irreparable suspensory injury on course at Badminton CCI****
Walterstown Don (US) April 2018 - Collapsed on Course between fences CIC***
Let it Bee (UK) March 2018 - Collapsed on course between fences Adv
Consensus (USA) Feb 2018 - Collapsed between fences Prelim
LV Hat Trick (NZ) Feb 2018 - Leg fracture on the flat
The Manx Man (USA) Nov 2017 - Rotational fall training level.
Crackerjack (FRA) Oct 2017 - leg fracture on flat /change of footing CCI****
ETA missed a horse
Anyone notice any patterns?
6 leg injuries
5 collapsed and died on course.
Seems like the fences arent the issue so much at this time.
and here are all the links for the last month of losses;
https://eventingnation.com/jurta-m-collapses-dies-on-cross-country-at-baborowko-horse-sale-show/
https://eventingnation.com/shannondale-julius-suffers-fatal-fall-at-esdcta-new-jersey-horse-trials/
https://eventingnation.com/shadow-sapphire-euthanized-at-alnwick-ford-international-horse-trials/
http://eventingnation.com/box-qutie-euthanized-due-to-injury-sustained-at-weg/
Thanks! At least I haven’t totally wasted my time 
!
This is not accurate. Original statement from the rider:
She has injured a tendon but luckily, it will be okay over time and she will be able to fly back home to Sweden.
Ultimate cause of death per rider:
…her condition worsened yesterday due to circulatory complications with a thrombus in her leg
This thread has been carefully maintained for so long in the hopes that more horses can be saved. Research to save horses like Box Qutie should be appropriately directed to recovery post-hospitalization or into circulatory issues, as in her case she was expected to recover (implication is fully) from the tendon injury.
Thanks, I will correct.
Let’s change the order for a moment:
Jurta M Sept 2018 (POL) - CIC2* - collapsed and died on course
Box Qutie Sept 2018 (US) - WEG - sustained irrepairable soft tissue injury and was euthanized.
HHS Dassett Appeal Aug 2018 - (UK) CCI3* Blair Castle - sustained irreparable injury.
BGS Country Dreams Aug 2018 (IRE) CIC3*- fell (non-rotational) awaiting necropsy.
Enchanted (USA) July 2018 - Slipped on a turn and fractured leg - Intermediate level
Axel Z (GER) June 2018 - Rotational fall at upright, spinal injuries -MIPS did not deploy Luhmühlen CCI****
Second Supreme (UK) June 8 2018 - Stumbled and collapsed after fence 24 Trakehner in the U25 CCI***
Redpath Ransom (UK) May 6 2018 - Suffered irreparable suspensory injury on course at Badminton CCI****
Walterstown Don (US) April 2018 - Collapsed on Course between fences CIC***
Let it Bee (UK) March 2018 - Collapsed on course between fences Adv
Crackerjack (FRA) Oct 2017 - leg fracture on flat /change of footing CCI****
Shannondale Julius Sept 2018 (US) - Fell at a warm up fence and broke neck
The Manx Man (USA) Nov 2017 - Rotational fall training level.
Shadow Sapphire Sept 2018 (UK) - Prelim - fell at a Trakehner
Consensus (USA) Feb 2018 - Collapsed between fences Prelim
LV Hat Trick (NZ) Feb 2018 - Leg fracture on the flat
1 Unknown (as reported)
4 at LL (I choose Prelim as lower level, because that is still viable for amateurs)
11 at Upper levels
Hmmm…perhaps we humans are asking too much of horses when they get to upper levels? Perhaps we are pushing them up levels too quick?
Take another look…
5 From the UK
5 from the US
The rest are one offs for each country and I changed Box to SWE for she died here, but was trained in SWE.
We could argue that the US and UK ride more so it makes sense there are more numbers. Yet the Germans compete and they have only one reported here.
We, the Eventing sport can look at fences as a cause, but I feel it could be much deeper, extending to training, time competing, along with problem fences.
Remove competition above 2* and you remove a good number of horses from the list. perhaps in the pursuit of the extreme challenge, we are missing the fact that us humans are using up more horses then is good for the sport.
Along with removing bad fences, perhaps limiting the number of times a horse can compete at 1* and up so the wear is reduced. That has been a compliant mention in this forum.
maybe training, or qualifying is a factor and certainly when comparing say the US to Germany, we are very much more relaxed in training requirements compared to Germany and heaven forbid bringing up the idea of certification to help promote a standard base of teaching.
'Merca - Don’t tell me how to ride.
end of the day no studies will be done, no real inspection will occur, because…well, as one said above…Horses live in the moment… I guess we should too.
@Jealoushe, did you remove the list of horses and riders and IIRC cause of death? I thought it was good to keep here.
Sadly another horse fatality in Britain, Pizazz II. Rotational fall, rider said the horse didn’t put its front feet down to land from the jump: https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/even…mpression=true
Pizazz II: the story made me wonder if he died from a coronary event during the jump
If yes, they would not have had to euthanize him. If I read correctly, they did.
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