Thank you!
But I have to also thank those who message me, when something is missed or unreported. A lot of posters have helped keep this updated.
Im still shocked these deaths have not been publicized. Not sure what that says about the seriousness of TPTB saying they want a safer sport.
It makes you wonder how many more there were in past years that werenât reported and were swept under the rugâŠ
Asking you for clarification because I canât find any reporting on it anywhere: do you know if Gloriette died as a result of a horse fall? Or did she collapse and die on course and by definition, fall to the ground at some point?
I ask:
Because if she collapsed on the flat I do think that is most correctly recorded as a retirement - ex. as with Let It Bee - because that is the closest description of what actually happened, if not technically correct.
Because I think the part of this thread that collects information on cause of death is truly where the gold mine is in terms of future benefit, and I want to be sure that is as accurate as possible (though I understand that is very difficult when there isnât even an article).
The horse was euthanized, information based on those at the event and also in the article in the issue below.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/horse-hound/20180621/282428464908776
Exactly. I know the one in Ontario in 2017 was not reported, no mention of it by Equestrian Canada or Ontario Eventing. I only knew because I was at the event.
I canât read the article ⊠itâs behind a paywall. Is there any chance the horse injured itself while galloping, or during a stumble in which it didnât fall the whole way down? In those cases âRâ would be the right way to record it even if the horse was euthanized (like with Boyd Martinâs Crackerjack).
That said ⊠it would be the first time a fall was recorded wrong, either.
It said related to a fall at fence #, so not sure why it would say that if it didnât involved a fence.
Yeah, that does sound like it was recorded wrong then, if they said it was a fall at a fence. That definitely happens too often.
It pains me to add this from today.
She was schooling xc while prepping for Rebecca Farms.
According to a bystander the horse died as well.
Em
So sad :(
she looked like a very talented young lady. Her record shows that she won the Jr BN AECs in 2017. My deepest condolences to all who knew her
Oh no. Heartbreaking.
Horrifying
My daughter and our horse could have easily been on this list when they suffered a rotational fall schooling stadium jumps at home three weeks ago. The horse was able to somehow redirect her hind end in mid air so it fell away from where my daughter landed. It was just a fluke misstep that could happen to anyone at anytime. Hug your loved ones, both two and four legged as life is fleeting. Godspeed Ashley.
Is there a jump height under which rotational falls are extremely unlikely to happen? Put another way, do the jumps have to be at a certain height before rotational falls become a significant risk?
Theoretically itâs a fence that a horse hits between knee and chest height with enough forward momentum to flip over the jump with the striking point being the center of rotation. With a lower, even solid, jump, a catty (or lucky) horse might be able to get a leg out in front of itself to catch the fall or keep it from rotating. However, even a low or collapsible jump can be hit just wrong enough to keep the horse from getting its landing gear out in front and go tail over teakettle.
Is it statistically less likely? Sure. But just because an accident may have a slim chance of happening doesnât mean it canât be 100% tragic.
Hmm, ok, thatâs helpful. I was wondering if there was any possibility of achieving greater safety by limiting jump heights (particularly for very young riders), but it sounds like the jump heights would have to be so low that it would be rather absurd.
My daughterâs rotational fall was unusual in that it was over a stadium jump and she cleared it. Makes me believe there is no completely safe activity that we can do with our horses. We have to just take as many precautions as we reasonably can and hope luck is on our side.
We can make improvements wherever possible: breakaway technology on fences, jumps designed as safely as possible (no false groundlines, tables built with a slight ascent so horses can read the width, etc), thoughtfully maximize safety gear). But there is a point where you are working with an independent thinking creature that weighs 9-10x what you do, and we can only do so much to prepare for the possibilities where horse, rider, and physics collide dangerously. The rest is acknowledging the risk that those possibilities exist and may have permanent consequences. I guess the line is do we accept that acknowledgment that safety precautions have a finite limit and keep going, or stop running cross country at all?
We could make XC a mere flat race across country between flags, and someone would manage to get impaled on one of the flags, or step on the heel of a bell boot and flip over.
Including collecting data, doing studies, and following recommendations made after scientific studies have been done.
This has been repeated countless times throughout the thread. This thread is not about acknowleding the risk in eventing, we know there is risk. All riders know riding is a dangerous sport, but that doesnât mean we canât make it safer.
This thread is about awareness and trying to figure out ways to make it safer, with research, and discussing such things that may cause falls that could be changed.
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