Yearling Nutrition for a horse with questionable feeding history

As some of you may have seen, I just bought a yearling quarter horse filly with some questionable conformation. She wasn’t emaciated, but she was definitely a little ribby which IME you don’t want to see in growing babies. For that reason I’m not sure on the quality of her feed. Owners say she’s received grass hay (not good enough pasture to support them) and no grain – feeding for moderate growth was their goal, but I think that since they’re getting out of horses they just kind of let the feed program fall by the wayside a bit which is why she looks a little rough.

Obviously in growing horses you want a proper calcium to phosphorous ratio, protein, mcals, etc., but I remember reading a study that said that increasing calcium intake in a growing horse too quickly can cause issues like DOD. So do any of you have any advice experience on feeding programs for yearlings with questionable feeding history? Do you use grain, and if so how slowly did you introduce it and what brand do you use? What type of hay do you like to use? (I’m in the midwest so timothy and alfalfa are very easy for me to obtain).

Any info on your feeding program for younger horses, and your recommendations for this situation, would be greatly appreciated :slight_smile:

Actually I do want so see some ribs on my yearlings. I also go for a minimal diet with babies (under 4yrs) to prevent them carrying too much weight on young, soft bones. This is old-fashioned managment, letting babies grow at their own pace, not selling or showing them, so no need to push their growth. We feed this way to build a long time using horse, good for years in the future. Ours live long working lives, stay sound in hard work, sound as old horses too.

Fat horses, young or old, are a marketing device to sell feed to horse owners. You have evidently been convinced thru photos of show winners, horses in feed advertising, that fatter horses are better!

You will see folks disagreeing with our program, but it works for us, horses we produce are the proof.

We do have very nice pasture in the warm seasons, which is mowed regularly to grow well. Land is soil tested and fertilized to produce grass as my crop for the horses. Our horses get a half day of turnout daily. Hours vary by the season, with 8 to 14 hours outside most days. They only stay in if there is sheet ice as footing. Babies especially, need sunshine and room to run and grow.

We give a plain oats and cracked corn mix with soybean meal as 10% of that grain mix total. We supplement with vitamins and a Selenium with Vit E mix on the grain. No Selenium in any local hay, grass or grains because our soil lacks it, so we must supplement. We top dress it on the grain to insure each animal gets their correct amount. Everyone also gets wet beet pulp with their grain once daily. Not much for the yearling, about a quart of wet beet pulp and two handfuls of the grain mix. This is literal handfulls, she doesn’t need more than that. Only getting grain so she will eat the supplements. That amount of grain will stay about the Sam until she is 3yrs.

We pull blood yearly, test for deficiencies, which have not been found in any of the horses. The yearling and other young horses gets good hay in winter, grass, as much as she will clean up.

Size of a horse is determined by genetics. They will get as large as their genes tell them too. Look at parents to figure what your ending size will be. Rich feed makes growth happen faster, so soft baby bones get overloaded, stressed, carrying the extra weight. I am building an athlete, a performance horse, not a meat animal. A fatty runs less, yet is harder landing on soft baby bones to harm them than a trimmer young horse. We have no forced exercise progrm, no lunging or work until our horses reach late 3yrs old. They are stalled daily, get handled to develop good manners, but no formal training. They play hard by themselves, stop when tired, build strong bones with muscle, out in the pastures. I like seeing the flash of ribs while turning, no fat layers on them.

None of ours have failed to gain height and body size expected of their breeding , just finishes at an older age than show colts do. Their 16-17H size is what their genes say to grow. This is horse after horse, same breed, different bloodlines, over a lot of years.

Most folks can’t go with a minimal feed and use program with their young horses, they get convinced horse needs “the best” in feed, hay, supplements. Have to buy things to be a “good owner, knowledgeable horseman” as advertising tells them. Owners also want to use their horses ASAP, to get their money’s worth out of them. Can’t wait for maturity in 4 or more years. Big size equals usable, early maturing, though it is not true. As shown on the Forums here, those young horses have a lot of issues owner gets to deal with. Many have a short life of use. Not all of course, but it seems many have a variety of never ending complications in their lives. With a QH, I would be even more careful, feet and leg issues are terrible in the breeding lines. Early training has to increase the chances of a short career, working those soft bones before they are ready. But “everyone does it” with a bad example set by the big names in the breed. Economics drives this with money to be made on the very young animals. Breakdowns just get replaced with a new animal and the cycle continues.

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I completely agree with that. The industry hasn’t caught up with the science behind growth and genetics in horses yet. It’s frustrating because when you try to tell people their horses will last longer in the long run if they hold off, they say they can’t because of futurities, young horse classes, 2 year old thoroughbred races, etc. The world doesn’t stop turning, and the industry still expects people to make a living off of young horses that shouldn’t have been broken yet.

I’m not trying to beef her up – I just don’t want to be able to see her ribs so easily. Feel the ribs, but not see most of them when she’s just standing around.

Do you mix your grain (corn, oats, soybean) yourself, or do you buy it? And do you use sweetened beet pulp? I know a lot of my old horses just wouldn’t touch the regular beet pulp.

The barn the filly is coming too doesn’t have very good grass pastures, so she’ll need to get most of her forage from hay. What kind of hay are you feeding?

We have a local elevator that mixes our grain for us. I just call in an order. Our beet pulp is unsweetened, horses were not made to live on sugars. Plus in a talk on nutrition the speaker said many prepared feeds throw in “leftovers” which are not nutritious and you pay dearly for them. Read labels, unidentified ingredients. Yet covered in sugar/molasses, horses readily eat them. Molasses products mold easily in our humid location, so often a prepared grain bag is bad when opened or shortly after. I find it better to just avoid the molasses in our feeds.

Recipe for our grain mix is currently 50% cracked or rolled corn, 50% whole oats. Say 200# of each mixed. 10% of that is 40#, which is the quantity of soybean meal (protien) added to the other two grains, then all three aew mixed together. Total of 440#s of grain. Cracked corn is very usable by a horse, figure they get almost 90% of the nutrients out, so they don’t need a lot of it. Whole oats is lots less nutrient value, probably 20% or less. Oats are good for “scratching” the digestive system going thru, horse likes the taste, can “fill out” the amount fed but not add many calories, keeping horse busy eating longer. I do not get rolled oats because of the price difference and again, not that much value added nutritionally. We feed all the horses small amounts of this mix, they perform well, look good, don’t need volumes of grain, even being large horses. In very hard work, no one gets more than 2#s, once a day. Usually they get less than a pound.

Very easy to change the percentages of corn and oats in the mix. If horses are not working, you might want more oats, less corn, though soybean meal always stays at 10%. In my nutritional talks, I learned higher protein in feeds is just peed out. So money wasted there. Horses do not use more than 10% protein after they are yearlings. Feed them all you want, they do not use the extra. This is total diet, 10% protein. One of the reasons feeding alfalfa hay induces so much peeing. Have to get rid of the extra protein! We change our ratios from time to time, horses not doing much, don’t need the extra corn. In cold winter, we give more hay to warm them up, fermenting to cause heat in body. Not more grain.

You might try the wet beet pulp with some grain, in very small amounts with the older horse. My piggiest horse took almost 2 weeks to get going on wet beet pulp. Started with a handful in grain and she refused it until she could not resist the grain. I tossed the refused stuff daily, it can ferment in heat, did not want her sick. Once she consented to eat it, she liked it, we gradually increased the amount fed. We use hot water to make it in winter, they like it warm. The benefits are very good, adding more moisture when cold can reduce good grinking. Fills horses out as a forage, not stupid like adding grain can make them.

You do have to watch your potassiun/phosphorus/calcium levels. Unbalanced numbers can cause body problems, epiphisitis for one. I see that in young horses fed a lot of alfalfa. We avoid alfalfa, horses don’t need such rich hay. We buy grass hay, will have timothy, brome, orchard type grasses in the bales. We feed a lot of hay, small bales, controlled quantities. If they don’t clean it up, I reduce the amount. Always some waste, but I try to keep it minimal. Hay cost too much to waste any! I don’t do big bales. Equipment to store and handle them is lacking. I don’t like the issue of invisible dead animals in the bales, horses eating contaminated hay. Also dealing with much wasted hay, horses eating constantly to become obese.

With your young horse, you may want to study hoofcare, it might help keep her sounder than many QHs. Locally we see the “cowboy trim” with extremely short toes and shoes too small. For unknown reasons, small, neat hooves are desired on QHs. The hoof wall is cut WAYYY too short, so fitting a shoe to the little foot means the shoe is too small. Toe length is often less than 3 inches! True on big and small QHs. Many actually have too small of feet for their size, but cutting hooves smaller to look right for showing, leaves no sole depth, leads to lameness, permanent damage, loss of usefulness. My old Western horse, 14.2H, 900#s fit, wore 1s in front, 0s behind, on 3 3/4inch to 4inch long toes. Her feet were actually proportionate to her size if you were not used looking at show QHs. Her feet were huge compared to many QHs she competed against , but she never took a lame step, had a million miles on her. With knowledge, you can prevent your horse being trimmed too short, no sole depth to protect the bones, or getting shoes too small, keep her usable. Even young horses can naturally have a longer toe than 3 inches. Don’t cut it off!

All growing horses should be lean, and ideally have the last few ribs visible. Lean, with good muscle quality for their breed and age.

Obviously in growing horses you want a proper calcium to phosphorous ratio, protein, mcals, etc., but I remember reading a study that said that increasing calcium intake in a growing horse too quickly can cause issues like DOD. So do any of you have any advice experience on feeding programs for yearlings with questionable feeding history? Do you use grain, and if so how slowly did you introduce it and what brand do you use? What type of hay do you like to use? (I’m in the midwest so timothy and alfalfa are very easy for me to obtain).

Any info on your feeding program for younger horses, and your recommendations for this situation, would be greatly appreciated :slight_smile:

Any nutrient imbalance, if big enough, can cause DOD issues. Too much calcium, too high a ca/phos ratio, too little copper, and more.

KISS. Feed companies have used decades of research and created balanced formulas for all varieties of horses, growing youngsters included.

A ration balancer would be fed at 2-3lb for her age, depending on her expected mature weight. That’s high, balanced nutrition, without a great many calories. And it’s probably enough calories for what she needs, especially since I assume the quality and quantity of her forage will increase. If shes a bit more, add a pound or 2 of alfalfa pellets, and increase/decrease those as growth spurt make her a bit too lean or a bit too plump.

It really can be that simple.