Yoga, Pilates, or both?

I have the same instructor for yoga and pilates. Pilates is more useful for strengthening your core but does incorporate stretching. Yoga is stretching while toning and increasing muscle stamina. Most of the time, holding the position for several seconds to a minute is the hard part, not the move itself.

I got something from both classes but I feel like I get more from yoga. I have really tight hips and hamstrings. Pilates doesn’t target it as well as yoga does.

To those saying you haven’t felt anything after yoga, that speaks more to the extremely low level of difficulty your instructor aimed for. I’ve taken a class like that before. It was basic stretching and warm up (sun salutations) and relaxation. I would try someone else. Yoga can be very challenging by doable with the right instructor.

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Just to add, I’ve got a 24 hour fitness membership and three gyms I can easily access, so I have had maybe six different instructors, and one of them did both yoga and pilates class.

I pretty much agree that both are good. Both are body aware and relaxation. And it varies a lot with the instructor. Some can be “easier” and some “harder.” The yoga instructor that also did pilates I found too “easy” in the pilates class. But some of that depends on the day. Some days I go before I ride, and it seems easier. Some days I go after I’ve ridden two horses, and it seems harder.

Right now I have more time so I’m hitting whatever I can find that suits my schedule, but I find myself craving pilates more. I did a yoga class yesterday I probably won’t do again. There was nothing wrong with the instructor or the exercises, but the ones she was doing were so painful for my knees and wrists I couldn’t get much out of it. My joints are very sore today, still. (I find downward dog unbelievable painful on wrists.) Of course, I still need to hit the kickboxing class more for cardio!

I find both helpful. Lots of yoga (mostly Vinyasa), some pilates and a fair bit of Lotte Berk based workouts (check your area or get DVDs www.purebarre.com, www.barmethod.com, http://www.exhalespa.com/, http://www.lotteberkmethod.net/). I run a fair bit which contributes to the tight hips and hamstrings, so I find all of these things help with being loser and more able to independently use body parts when riding. In addition to running, I like spinning for cardio.

Beentheredonethat, if you find downward facing dog painful, you need to talk to your instructor and adjust your posture and make sure your posture is correct. Believe it or not, most people do this seemingly easy exercise incorrectly, because it is easier to cheat (incorrect posture);). You are not supposed to rest your weight on your wrist. And if you still have pain, you can always use happy baby instead. Again, your instructor should inform you of that. As to knees, many poses you are not supposed to rest your weight directly on your knees either, but many people don’t understand that.

Gloria–I will ask. I don’t know how you can do downward dog without pressure on the wrists. I can’t go up on the knuckles for very long because that hurts, too, and the fingertips holding me up is not going to last long!

We were doing something yesterday that we were on one knee, and the other foot was on the ground and we turned it sideways to open up the hip–when I did that the pain in me knee was too much to even bear and no amount of towel or adjusting would work to stop the knee pain.

No one else seemed to have a problem. I was on prednisone for two years as a kid before they discovered how bad it was, so I’m sure I don’t have much in the way of joints left, and I broke one wrist very badly, so maybe it’s just me.

I LOVE happy baby–great stretching and back cracking. How does that do the same work as downward dog? I can’t do things like plank, either, because my wrists hurt so bad, and going down on the elbows is only marginally less painful.

(Sorry to hijack thread, but this might be useful for others, too, as I’m sure a lot of horse people have at least bad knees!)

btdt, you can always do half dog or dolphin (resting on your forearms) if a full down dog is too much for your wrists. Or, you could get a prop like Gripitz (here’s an article: http://www.snewsnet.com/cgi-bin/snews/01995.html and Amazon.com review: http://www.amazon.com/Gripitz-Yoga-and-Exercise-Blocks/product-reviews/B002IAQKNG) so that your bones can still be stacked and in a neutral position, since the modification on your forearms requires a lot of shoulder strength.

Some yoga postures just don’t work for someone’s conformation, and that’s ok. Despite doing yoga for so long, I cannot do Warrior I position with my foot flat on the floor - it puts too much torque on my knee. In that case, I modify the pose so that I’m in a high lunge foot position. My ankle bones just don’t allow for that kind of angle (I also have trouble with getting a deep heel in the irons) without causing pain somewhere.

If you discuss privately with your instructor what your limitations are, I’m sure she’d be happy to come up with some alternatives for you.

I am no instructor, so keep that in mind :lol: Per downward facing dog, your wrist should somehow “float” above the mats, with weight toward your finger tips, which presses into the mat. The wrists are not meant for weight bearing, though yes, there will be some pressure there: it acts as a conduit to transfer your weight forward toward your finger tips. This is accomplished by forming a straight line between your hip, waist, shoulders, head, arms, down to your finger tips.

My guess is that you don’t have a straight line and your wrists are more or less under your shoulders, putting undue stress onto them. Look at the photos on google - there is a reason they all have straight line, and it is not because it looks good:cool:. One simple gauge to help me ensure I have a straight line is, my arms should pass directly next to my ears (my guess is that your arms fall below your ears), with finger tips pressing into the mats, hips up, and your toes, also pressing into the mats to form an equilibrium. That way, your whole body works together, not over stressing any single joint.

Now this is NOT an easy posture, especially for people who aren’t accustomed to it. Whoever say Yoga is all relaxation - they have not done Yoga lol. You will get tired and sore in short order, until your body gets stronger. You should probably switch to happy baby often first.

Downward facing dog is a resting pose, but not relaxation pose - your body continues to work, strengthen, while stretch. Happy baby is a a relaxation pose, while you allow your body to relax and stretch. They don’t achieve the same goal, but for people having trouble with downward facing dog, it is a good pose to go to.

As to your knees, again, my guess is that you rest your knees directly on your knee cap, thus putting undue pressing onto it. Your weight should be in front of your knee cap, not directly on it, and that generally means to move your knees backward a little bit till your weight is on the bone above knee cap, not on knee cap itself. - and while you do that, you will then need to make sure to engage your core to tuck your butt under so you are not hollowing your back. Again, who say Yoga is easy:lol:?

If you still have issues - I’m not familiar with your medical history - there are many many Yoga poses you can use to open your hips: various forms of Pigeon come to mind that will target this area. Some will not put any stress on your knees. Again, you should talk to your instructor to give you alternative exercise. Not everybody can do every Yoga poses (conformation/age/injuries/etc), and there are always alternatives you can choose from.

Thanks so much for all the advice! It sounds like the main thing I need to do is seek some personal instruction first, to make sure I’m doing everything correctly and addressing the issues I need first. I forgot to add that my shoulders and neck also tend to be tense when I ride so I need help with that too. Basically I’m just a big hot mess! LOL

I have been DVR’ing (is that a word) all the yoga and pilates I can find on my satellite programming. I have a Y membership so I’m going to try to hit the early morning classes (blech).

I’m really crossing my fingers that this is going to help. I am so frustrated right now with everything and I believe my lack of muscle fitness is holding me back!

I do Jennifer Kries Total Body Toning. It is all done lying on a mat which suits me as I don’t want to do downward dog or anything like that on my right arm. It is pilates, yoga and ballet combined.

There’s a great book, well written and illustrated, called The Riding doctor by Beth Glostenthat would help you a lot with both diagnosis and exercises, both Pilates and yoga to address your problems

I do Pilates twice a week, 30 minutes each time, with a certified trainer.

Agree with @Gloria about wrists hurting. I did yoga for years struggling with downward facing dog causing hurts wrists. And I have “bad” wrists to begin with - I struggled with fairly chronic tendonits for years until I figured out a computer/desk set up that works for me. As for downward facing dog, I’d try to adjust in various ways - using fists, up on my fingertips, using a ballet barre. What I finally realized is that I was just doing it incorrectly with my palms down. Now, I’m comfortable with my palms down as long as I concentrate on really pressing down with my fingers, which relieves the pain from my wrists. I also found that the more I do it, the easier it becomes. If I take a break from yoga for a while, I can feel it in my wrists until I work back up to the point where I can do it properly for the whole length of the asana. So I’d stick with it, but just realize it may take some time to get your wrist/hand strength where it needs to be – but it should get there. Until you get to that point, dolphin is your friend!

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This is a good topic but it was bumped by a spammer that I have now flagged. But I was happy to read the thread and maybe I will go look for some exercise class!

I’ve done both, under the guidance of qualified teachers. I loathed Pilates. I loved yoga. I can’t say either improved my riding. I started having soft tissue work done, and that’s when I was able to stretch and release.

I have been taking pilates mat classes and I just purchased 3 individual reformer lessons. I’ve found it to be a great workout for my core, but the last class left me with soreness in my lower back. It was a one-on-one class, so the instructor was continually fixing my position/alignment, but I must have done more than my abs/core could actually support. It felt great during the class, but I’ll be more careful in my next class.

Sorry - I’m not going to read all the comments before responding.
I’ve been implementing a steady pilates and yoga regimen as a part of my dressage fitness for a few years now. I’m LL, but it still makes a huge difference for me. In addition to this, I have a very tight left hip that I have to constantly work to relax which affects my riding.
Also, since I pay so much money to ride, I am a total cheap-a$$ with my other workouts. All these workouts are free.

While I prefer pilates for the bang/strength (read:feeding my impatience) factor, I have had to admit to myself that yoga is too important for the relaxing and releasing. So I try to keep up with both. I lovelovelove Yoga With Adriene. All her videos are free on youtube. If you find her Yoga for Weightloss Series, she has a video she added recently that is specifically yoga for hips and hammies. There are some fabulous stretches that I have not encountered before that I now use as part of my stretching regimen.

In addition to yoga and pilates, you should consider getting a foam roller. The one that my equine PT recommended that I love to use is - https://www.amazon.com/Cando-30-2100…0foam%20roller

The main exercises that I use my foam roller for are - 1) lay down with your spine resting down the foam roller. Make sure your abs are engaged and knees are up with feet resting on the ground. Rest arms straight out like a T so the tips of your fingers rest on the ground (elbows straight) lay like that for 30-60 seconds to open your shoulders and release tension there. Feels so good.
2) release hips. Find some sort of reference online to help you find the right location and use for that but it feels great.
I can’t share the 3rd use because I’m not knowledgeable enough about nerves or parts and it won’t come out correct. You can roll the front of your upper leg from top all the way to knee and it will release some nerve but I don’t know the name anymore. The PT called it a something or other cord.

As far as pilates, my favorite video series I’m working with these days is Ange’s Pilates. She is difficult but always works up to that point with easier alternatives. Most importantly though, she carefully explains what you should and should not do and WHY. https://www.angespilates.com/

I do both. I am the least naturally flexible person in existence, so yoga is torture for me.

Pilates is concentrated balance/strength training, which is great for riding.

Yoga is a form of mindfulness and meditation through movement. I practice vinyasa yoga, which is focused on flowing through a set of movements. The strength and coordination required is insanely intense for me, and the stretching is always a challenge.

Where they overlap is in the strength training and balance aspects, and with body awareness, and I find that doing both consistently has greatly improved my riding.

There are some really cool videos on Youtube. I can highly recommend Fightmaster Yoga’s channel.

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Yoga will impact people’s lives in a powerful way by wakening substantive connections inside their bodies, ascent spirits, increasing flexibility, strength and health, relieving stress, providing a replacement outlook on life. Pilates is a exercises to improve your physical strength.

I do both… Yoga is great for flexibility. If you have an instructor like mine, there are lots of strength building asanas as well - and a focus on proprioreception/correct form. My pilates instructor has quite a few rider clients - the mat work is good for strength building but the reformer (equipment) and chair really don’t let you cheat and build body evenness.

I have taken a few mat classes with Janice Dulac and it is very focused on the rider muscles. I have nto used her DVDs -

Extremely timely post. I have the same issue as you (tight hip flexors, toe turn out…) and went to both workouts. I feel like Pilates made me more stable and yoga (I tried multiple forms but not hot yoga) made me more pliable.

It’s truly a toss up, but I would give both of them at least two weeks of at least 2x attendance per week to see the difference.

In my opinion, reformer Pilates has a greater benefit than mat pilates. I feel like it is easier to have incorrect form on mat pilates, however, you can still benefit from mat pilates.

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Pilates has many of the same goals in mind but the major difference between Pilates and Yoga is that in addition to mat work, there can be different exercise machines involved. Pilates works out the entire body in addition to the mind. The focus is on the core of the body so the rest can freely move and this makes makes your body stronger both on the inside and out. Read more about Yoga Courses in India.