You know how in the movies......:-)

So, with all the concern we hear about horses who can’t get along with others, and having seen how some horses cannot get along with others in close quarters, what do you think is the secret for all those horses in Westerns where th rider just yahoos into town, loops a rein around ye olde hitchin’ rail, gallops (the human) into the bar, and the horses all just go to sleep where they have been tied? There is never any kicking, biting, squealing, or Tex pulling his gun on Joe Bob because Princess can’t be tied up next to Big Fred and someone needs to switch places with Lightning.

Is this because:

  1. The just edit out the fights.
  2. There is no food, so the horses don’t fight over food.
  3. The same 12 horses are used for all Westerns so they all know each other and herd dynamics are a thing of the past.
    4)The horses don’t get into the movies unless they are saints?
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In all seriousness? I think the horses chosen are chosen because they do get along. I think there are a number of choices, and the ones that make the cut are the ones who just go along with it all…
plus in some of the movies I think they are so worn out they don’t have it in them to bicker… lol

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  1. They send the sound guy in to break it up
  2. Ulcers weren’t invented back then
  3. Marion Morrison rode the same horse. Mostly. Either that or CGI cheaped out.
  4. The naughty ones are given to the stunt men. Word spreads fast.

I have no idea! But it annoys me that my horses are never that quiet!

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I think it’s mostly that the horses that ultimately were used for those kinds of roles were good at that kind of quiet behavior.

Just as a by-the-way, the old westerns, like the ones done before the 1960s, often killed a lot of horses routinely through rough riding, stampeding them over rough ground, and general mistreatment. There’s a reason that movies now have the disclaimer about “no animals were harmed during the filming of the movie,” and that’s because it used to be pretty routine to harm animals to get a shot.

There’s an interesting story about it here:
https://www.thegreatdebatersmovie.com/how-many-horses-did-hollywood-kill-making-movies/

But, also, in one of the later books in The Little Britches series (by Ralph Moody), he acted as an extra in some movies and writes about the way horses were treated on set.

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No CGI even imagined let alone used back then but can speak to all those pain bay, medium size, medium to slightly heavier weight with very little white horses in early Western movies and TV shows filmed in So Cal. Pulling wagons, packing bad guys or bringing the law they all look the same. They did scrape up some pintos for Indians and fancier mounts for featured players…and those horses worked alot and are easily recognizable.

Learning to ride in the early 1960s, that was what I learned to ride on and that was what was the most commonly available type locally. Some that I rode had film experience and my early teachers were stuntmen, one doubled several popular leading men. Those horses were broke, broke, broke and those guys knew what they were doing.

The reason was until the mid 20th century the US Army bred horses specifically for the Cavalry. Because a flashy horse is an easier to find and shoot, they were plain, mostly bay, needed to physically be able to do multiple jobs in harness or under saddle. They also had to have a very, very willing temperment. Kind of an early Jeep.

Starting in 1918 the Army Remount service stood Stallions of various breeds, including TBs, and civilians brought their suitable type mares then sold the offspring back to the Army when they were ready to break to saddle. When they aged out, they trickled back into civilian service, some never made it into the Army and were sold as saddle and harness horses. This created a really nice, useful Grade horse.

As mechanization grew, the Cavalry discontinued the breeding program in 1948 but the horses it created remained in local horse populations, especially in the Southwest. Hence their popularity in areas where movies and TV Westerns filmed. These were good Grade horses, something almost nobody breeds today, for good reasons. Shame

Clanter knows more about the Remount Service then I.

Anyway, hope that answers your question, just doing the job they were bred for and worked at most of their lives. Mind you, there were abuses here and in all facets of the horse industry, the good old days were anything but, much better today. It’s less likely with horses bred for the job and experienced at it handled by those who know what they are doing in any horse activity.

ETA because I know its going to come up if this thread lasts for long. American Humane first got involved with films in 1940 after industry insiders, including stars, stunt people and wranglers started speaking out. Their influence grew over the years to the point in 1960, production of many Westerns or efforts requiring many horses and stunts moved to other countries and thats why I wont watch a Spaghetti Western in particular and/or other period pieces with cringe worthy animal treatment.

The “No animals were harmed” disclaimer appeared in 1972 and the Screen Actors Guild negotiated for AHA reps on set from 1980 on. But not all films are union shops sooo viewers choice.

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That’s an AI written article if ever I saw one - awful writing! 🥹

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Stunt horses?? There’s a whole industry. The set hires a company that provides the trained horses and crew to set up the shots and stand off camera asking the horses to do the “tricks”.

In the past, they cut out the fights and killed a lot of animals.

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Horses from the same stunt company who all train together and so know each other, as well as any awkward characters being sold on before they cause chaos.

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I have friends who rent out their horses for the movies. Their horses are used to the whole gig.

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Exactly. It’s one provider for all the horses. They aren’t from 16 different locations.

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Movies aren’t filmed in Real-time.
Especially the era you refer to.
Those scenes were filmed in segments.
Cowboy(s) rides up to saloon set, dismounts, tosses reins onto the rail, stalks into saloon.
Scene switches to inside saloon - which is a soundstage set & unlikely the inside of whatever building was “outside”.
Outside buildings were most times just Flats < 1-dimensional fronts constructed of a single wall.
While that interior scene is bring filmed, wranglers on the set take care of horses.
Horses aren’t left standing tied, or if they are, they’re not unattended.
When cowboy leaves the saloon for outdoor scene to be filmed, horses are staged at that hitching rail for actors to mount & gallop off. “Off” being out of camera range.

In the Olden Days - B/W TV & movies - Continuity wasn’t always perfect.
I recall watching a Lone Ranger episode where an actor was supposed to be shot dead.
Cue LR & Tonto galloping onto the set to discover the body…
Too bad camera swung back to film the “dead” guy propped on one elbow listening for that entrance, then quickly lying back down :confused:
He’s dead, Tonto"
Um, only if your cameraman hadn’t flubbed his cue :roll_eyes:

A friend who works as a Script Supervisor once told me (re: actors):
“These are people who can memorize lines & stand where they’re told.”

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Those horses are probably TIRED! :yum: A tired horse is a happy horse – neighbor.

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People used to just expect horses to behave. I was completely ruined by having horses at an Amish barn. None of them kick, holler, or any of that crap. They tie for hours, between horses they don’t know. You can walk horses next to one another, in a narrow aisle, and … nothing.

There are some exceptions; I know one Amish guy who has the worst mannered horses in the world. He’s just a lousy horseman.

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You want to see some horrifying horse abuse - watch the movie The Misfits with Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe. The first 30 minutes is just, there are no words.

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I have posted this before, but did you notice that Ben Cartwright in Bonanza and Marshall Dillon in Gunsmok both rode the same horse? Lorne Greene actually bought him after the Bonanza series ended to ensure that the horse would go to a good place to live out his life.

https://historydaily.org/lorne-greene-and-the-fate-of-a-horse

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If I’m watching something with horses together, I make it a point to watch the horses interacting with each other. Often, they will be pinning ears and biting at each other. This is the most noticeable in shots where the riders are talking and you see the horses head-on.

In older movies and television shows,when horses fall you’ll generally see them fall forward, sometimes with spectacular somersaults, which apparently resulted in frequent horse injuries and some deaths. I think trip wires may have been used.

In things filmed more recently, you’ll see the horses falling to one side. Much less spectacular, but the horses survive. I’ve read that they’re specially trained to fall like that when their heads are pulled to one side.

And I never noticed the same horse in Bonanza and Gunsmoke, because the horse I saw on Bonanza was a stocky dark buckskin and the one I saw on Gunsmoke was a rangy pale buckskin.

You can make good money renting out a “ falling” horse. Often portraying several different falling horses in the same film or even in the same battle or chase. Nothing like a plain bay for film work.

They still use trip wires in some countries.

IIRC, believe there were two buckskins but one may have worked in Gunsmoke then moved to Bonanza replaced by another buckskin. Or so I recall hearing.

My favorite, “ yeah, right” moments with horses in most films and TV shows is when they finish a 5 mile chase at a dead run or drag the fully loaded stagecoach into town? Nothing is the least bit winded. They may have some soap suds applied ( to the wrong places) but nothing is out of breath.

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I grew up in Amish country and it’s amazing to see a large group gathering with dozens upon dozens of horses tied up in close quarters for hours on end. No fighting. No idiocy. Just standing their patiently until it’s time to go home. :woman_shrugging:

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While those horses were certainly selected for their ability to perform the task required, it isn’t absurd to expect strange horses to stand quietly tied shoulder to shoulder.

Go to any local cutting completion, for example, and you will see dozens of strange horses, most of them between the ages of 2 and 4 and a very high percentage of them stallions, standing quietly tied to the arena rail between goes. Because basic ground manners, starting with standing tied, are just expected of horses in the western world.

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Fascinating, thanks.