Oops sorry didn’t mean to delete my post above… anyway…
If you look at her personal fb page, it would appear she knows about the thread 
Most of what is written there barely even touches the surface of what this individual has done to people over the years. Due to some people’s proclivity for suing those who speak ill of them, many won’t post publicly…
Also major irony at who the person who asked the original question is (search COTH for the name…) 
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Well then!
Sadly I think the post in the regional fb group went poof tonight. There were 110+ posts on the thread.
Is this seller on a coast of the US and has a very questionable record? If that’s who you are talking about…vet any horse from them very, very throughly.
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There are too many people who meet this description to even begin to narrow it down from here.
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Yes, I have seen it. Not good for her. Her facility is exactly as the pictures depict. The only good thing about it is the indoor arena. I was not impressed when I showed up to try a horse. Horse was borderline nqr in the right hind. Couldn’t tell much from riding and he seemed to work out of it. I decided to go forward with a ppe and told the vet that if she finds anything off, to call me and I’ll let her know if I want to continue. Well, after flexions, the horse was totally off in that right hind, I mean really off. They tried it a few times to make sure it wasn’t just stiffness and there was no way. I told her to stop and called the seller and told her no way and to return my deposit (she stated at the beginning that her horses were guaranteed sound(!) and if not, the deposit would be returned). She tried to give me the run around and put it off for a few weeks but I was persistent and eventually I got the deposit back.
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7 year old with advanced kissing spine - $7,500.
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Oh my god!!! Horrifying
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Is that the Training/Prelim horse that was posted on A1 group? I saw him. Honestly, I’d buy that horse - it was soundly doing the job and it sounds like the KS was found after a vetting. The bone shave surgery is ‘cheap’ by surgery standards ($2000) – but I’ve found a lot of KS cases can be very well managed with better farriery, injections, and 24/7 turnout - to the point some don’t even need the surgery anymore.
If it was a fresh OTTB, eh. Probably would pass on that, lol.
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That horse is not my cup of tea but I’d rather take a chance on a nice import going sound with bad rads that jumps around nicely than some other things. I can see someone paying a hugely reduced price to take a chance on a horse with a big upside like that one.
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Sorry, don’t know what A1 group is.
I have been shopping for a pasture pony for about 3 years. Something that was broke enough to trail ride, but the main purpose was to keep a gelding company while another gelding was trailered off to lessons. Everything under $3k was selling in less than 48 hours. This was right before COVID. Then COVID hit and nothing was available. I finally bought a unbroke, scared, wormy, almost dead pony for $1k. He has been in training, finally allows a rider but is no where close to being broke. By the end of this I would have put $7k into training and still have a sensitive, green pony. I keep telling myself that it’s worth saving a horse, which is true, but jeeze.
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Isn’t that insane? Granted I think some of this has to be regional because there was a DEAD broke pony for sale in Oregon earlier this year, about the same size as my medium iirc, dark bay or brown, was working cattle and also jumping, for 6500 I think. Three years ago I paid 3500 on a calm, easy going, do anything asked medium pony who was “green” in regards to arena work (bomb proof trail ride like a super star? pony another pony that is wearing a flappy tarp? check and check. steering and can stay on the rail? err not so much 
). The seller had some people message her but no one had schedule to come out and see her, and I dithered for about three weeks before I went on a vacation that just happened to drive close-ish to where the pony lived. Now? Yeesh I could probably get a bit more but she isn’t for sale.
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Not an active eventer, but I’m guessing Area I?
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The most recent episode of the Noelle Floyd podcast is really worth a listen - it focuses on the higher end of the HJ market but Hope Glynn is refreshingly transparent, and there’s some absolutely WILD anecdotes. She makes a point about how the billionaires in our sport are inflating horse prices at the high end (she says she is struggling to find decent 3’3 - 3’6 hunters for clients with a $250k or even $500k budget!) and I wonder if that’s trickling down somewhat, or if it really just all comes down to so many people getting into the sport during covid and not enough suitable horses around at any level.
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I listened to the podcast.
One scary note. What happens to all those 14-15 year old horses that previously could only have been leased because they had some vetting issues when our current economic bubble pops? If someone paid top dollar for a horse with known problems because they wanted to show at whatever price it costed, do you think they are babying those horses? I don’t.
I was a kid, but when the US tax law changed in 1986, the bottom fell out of the (very, very frothy) Arabian market and a lot of previously very expensive horses became worthless. I’m afraid that the same is in store for this kind of horse.
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Really interesting interview, and very informative. I found myself snorting when HG talked about the idea of paying for the trainer’s time during horse shopping and also giving them a 10-15% commission, though. Her point was that you are paying for the person to be committed to you and your horse, and paying for their expertise, and so on. But shouldn’t the fee for their time cover the latter, and the money you will be spending on lessons, board, training, shows, etc. cover the former? If I have to pay someone a commission to guarantee that they won’t treat me and my horse like crap after I’ve bought it I’m not sure that’s a great relationship!
The model used to be you paid a commission, which covered the trainer’s time spent looking, their use of contacts to find prospects, going to see the horse(s), arranging the sale, and so on. This is what we did when I was a junior, and everything we bought came either from a barn in our region or came to our barn to be sold, so we just paid commission. There were no extra hotel fees or whatever, but if there had been those would have been extra, of course.
I guess I don’t understand the commission PLUS day fee and fee for time spent. What seems most fair to me is to pay for the time spent by the trainer looking for horses, going to see them, making an offer, arranging for vetting, and whatever else the buyer has them do. The percentage has never seemed to make a lot of sense, since someone could spend just as much time and effort looking for a cheap horse as a more expensive one (especially in this market!). Paying for time is more fair to everyone, although getting a nice fat percentage on top of that is obviously best for the trainer! I just don’t understand how that is justifiable, and HG’s explanation didn’t convince me.
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I have not listened to the podcast in question yet, but in my experience, per diems will be applied to the commission when a horse is purchased. The way it’s been explained to me is that it’s a sort of guarantee that a trainer gets some sort of compensation for clients that might want to try 30-40 horses and make excuses why none are suitable. (Also, I’m assuming HG doesn’t charge a day/time fee for horses tried at shows.)
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I’m too lazy to go back and listen but I think she said she applies 50% of per diems to the commission? I basically see the per diem as compensating your trainer for loss of income while traveling with you. They’re leaving behind the rest of their paying clients, and it might take months of shopping and multiple trips to find the right horse. I understand them wanting some income up front, which is deducted from the commission when the sale is made. At the price points HG’s clients are shopping at, I doubt the 50% of per diems they aren’t getting back makes much of a dent in the bottom line.
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