Young dog's sudden death -- ideas?

My 4 year old dog died on Tuesday. My boyfriend was home and saw it happen. They were in the yard and he had just treed a squirrel, then he seemed (to me, given the description from my SO) to have a neurological event (lost control of hind end, collapsed, contorted/spasmed) and died. SO was with him the entire day to that point, so there’s no chance he ingested something toxic without it being seen. In days prior, it’s possible I guess, but unlikely. He was at the vet a few weeks ago for his annual vaccines and check up with no indication anything was wrong.

We’re having a necropsy done, but so far they haven’t found an obvious cause like evidence of a heart attack or stroke. They’re evaluating tissue samples and cultures now. We mostly want to know what happened in case there’s an environmental factor that puts our other dog at risk. We did get her checked out at the vet and a blood panel already (vet says she’s perfect).

The breeder is reputable and breeds for sport (pointers). The breed is robust in terms of heritable diseases. Our dog was from a repeat mating, with no similar deaths in his or prior litters (no deaths at all, as far as I know). The sire passed at age 12, and the dam is still alive (at 10).

Anyone have or know of similar experiences? Any ideas about what could have happened?

I looked for generic information online about sudden death in dogs, and saw a paper with some statistics. In ~20% of the cases, no cause could be determined. Causes that could be determined included things like gastrointestinal disruptions, heart attacks, poisons, trauma, and infections. Also aspirations, but that was mostly puppies.

Could he have jumped up and fallen badly, hitting his head?! Treeing the squirrel?

so sorry for your loss

No, my so saw him come off the tree without anything unusual or traumatic happening, at least from an external perspective.

Is it hot where you live? Heat stroke from the excitement maybe?

Bloat/Torsion? But I think that would be very obvious in a necropsy? I can’t think of anything other than an aneurysm or brain tumor…but that would seem to be obvious as well. If you haven’t told your breeder yet, please make sure you do. It may not be anything preventable, but something for them to keep in the back of their minds, just in case anything else strange pops up and they can make a connection.

I’m so sorry. How tragic for everyone. Sending hugs. :no:

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Arrhythmia? Which wouldn’t show any signs. Pulmonary embolus?

I am sorry for your loss

I have informed the breeder and will be sending him the full report when I ge

Would​​Would the nec vet dissect the brain fully? Could there be a small tumor in just the wrong place that shocked his heart? Or would they find evidence of a stroke if it happened deep in the brain?

​​​​​​It was not hot when it happened.

No ideas … just sending my condolences to you and your family … ((hugs))

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Would our vet be able to detect an arrhythmia? He had his annual exam just a few weeks ago.

We also thought pulmonary embolism, but wasn’t sure if it would be visible

Thanks for the condolences too, all. He was incredibly special to us, and we’re heartbroken to have lost him this way. I’m consoled in part by it being so quick he didn’t suffer long.

Wow that’s horrible. I’m really sorry. No clue other then a sudden cardiac event. If you get some answers please do update the thread, I know we will all be wondering. Again so very sorry for your loss.

I had a 4 year old dog die. Was on a Friday. Could not have necropsy because pick up had alreAdy been done at vets. Don’t accept frozen. Has to be fresh. Sorry for graphic.
next door neighbor’s very expensive hunting dog died. Necropsy revealed poison. I buried my dog in the backyard. I have had to pts many dogs. Never had a 4 year old old dog die.

I am so sorry. So very sorry for your loss. I had his brother too. He lived until age 14. I had to put him down in January. I am still not over it.

Sorry for your loss and I hope you find the answers you are seeking.

Likely would have been normal at his check up. I don’t think an embolism would be visible. If a dog survives the initial insult, there are some changes we can see on radiographs which are suggestive

So sorry this happened. Years ago, we suddenly lost a youngster we’d bred and it was horrible.

Depending on the arrhythmia it’s very common to go in and out of them. Which is why holter monitors in outpatients and constant cardiac monitoring for inpatients is so common. Exercises will often bring the heart in and out of arrhythmias. It’s entirely possible that your dog was either in normal rhythm at his check up, or that he had a minor atrial arrhythmia that was missed and manifested into a fatal arrhythmia. There’s really nothing you could have done for this.

A PE would likely have shown on the necropsy. Either the clot still in the lungs, etc. Additional clots sitting and waiting to let go. Or if the original PE didn’t kill him, but was serious enough to eventually lead to death he would have likely have been in right sided heart failure. Again, this would have been seen on the necropsy.

So sorry. It’s never easy, but when they’re young you’re really not prepared. It sounds like he went quick, so be grateful for that.

(((hugs))) No advice here, just sympathy.

We have had one of the most unique causes of death our vet ever saw… back in the 70’s we had a 2 year old youngster collapse and die - had histoplasmosis from inhaling bird ‘dust’ while poking around under a flock tree while a 6 month pup. Took almost a year for the lungs to be affected badly enough by the fungus that a good sprint caused oxygen deprivation and sudden cardiac arrest.

No real symptoms before the death. No coughing, nothing.

So sorry for your loss.

We’ve had nothing like that death before or since.

You may never know, and it may be no one’s fault. Living beings are fragile and life is precious.
Best of luck with your next companion when you are ready.

So sorry for your loss.

I would think cardiac or clot. Sorry for your loss, but I hope you get some answers.