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Zafferano ... what a stunning young stallion!!!

Sport Horse Breeding
#1

I ADORED this stallion when Carol Krauss posted a video of him a few weeks ago but when I saw his loose jumping video today - WOW! He is incredible! Absolutely would make me want to get into breeding one last time to get a foal by him …

Super news!! Zafferano was the 3rd best stallion at the 50-days test in Schlieckau with a total score of 8,40! That means he is approved in both Oldenburg and SWB for life.

temperament 10
willingness to work 9,5
walk 7,5…
trot 8,5
canter 8
rideability 9
jumping 8
test riders 8,75
total impression 8,5

Both Zafferano and Touchdown are now at Celle, preparing for freezing.

Flat video … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9wc6U_oPXA

Free jumping video … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xr6B15taCA&feature=youtu.be

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/horse/11139637/380/Horse_Zafferano_1325-_2.jpg

So … who is thinking of breeding something to him in 2017 and what mare are you breeding to him? :slight_smile:

I adore this stallion - his movement, his jump, his type, his fabulous laid back temperament - the whole package!!!

#2

He looks very nice. I’m not normally a “color” person, but he seems to have the quality to back it up. Would love to see more video of him over fences.

#3

Toying with the idea of breeding LA Baltic Inspiration X Chapman mare to him…extra dose of Chagall 455. Open to thoughts on this cross…

#4

I posted the free jumping video on Carol’s original post because it wasn’t at all what I expected from him. I was particularly surprised at the ease of his approach and his calm, natural fold over the last fence.

He’s been aimed pretty exclusively to dressage, but he’s got enough jump blood behind him to make me think he could throw a nice level jumper with the right mare.

I’ve got my breeding plans in order already for 2017. But I’m thinking very strongly of buying frozen with the shipment Carol is organizing and holding onto it. My mare preference tends to be high TB/SF blood; hot with a brain and a natural love to jump. I’d like to see offspring from this type of cross with him, but that’s years in the making and assuming breeders chose to try him with jumper (or Eventing) mares over dressage.

We’ll see what happens in the future, but colour or not it’s hard to say too many bad things about Zafferano.

#5

[QUOTE=EventerAJ;8964909]
He looks very nice. I’m not normally a “color” person, but he seems to have the quality to back it up. Would love to see more video of him over fences.[/QUOTE]

Agree. Loved the flat, finally a color stallion that is actually a nice mover. I want to see more videos of his jumping. I don’t think that video was super flattering. Cute name (Saffron)…

#6

[QUOTE=Derid;8965042]
Toying with the idea of breeding LA Baltic Inspiration X Chapman mare to him…extra dose of Chagall 455. Open to thoughts on this cross…[/QUOTE]

4x4x6 Chagall and 4x5x5 Utrillo seems like a pretty safe bet.

#7

You getting some TrueColors?

#8

^^^ I wish!!! But I have no mares left (which I guess is a good thing and a bad thing too! :smiley: )

But man oh man - he makes me want to go and get one more mare one last time and breed to him for sure …

Maybe I’ll buy someone’s in utero instead :wink: . Curious to see what mares are bred to him and what in utero’s will be offered … :slight_smile:

#9

I think I am in the semen hoarding business.

Can’t blame me… $1 a dose a month for storage kinda enables me :lol:

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#10

Wow he is prettyyyy! Great, another to possibly add to the “wishlist”.

Slightly off, but on, topic question for breeders- would you want to know his colour make-up? If you’re breeding for talent as well as colour, would that not be an important piece of info for a breeder?

#11

He will pass the dilute 50% of the time when bred to non-dilute mares.

#12

He’s definitely interesting! His sire Zaladin MI is by Blue Hors Zack, who is Rousseau/Jazz/Belisar so there is more jump there than your typical dressage stallion of R, W, D & L fame. And his sire’s damsire Landtinus (Landadel/Argentinus) sure doesn’t hurt!

Zaladin MI did get good marks from the Swedish judges for jumping, too(translated): “Jumps with good rhythm, balance and impulsion. Calm and fearless with good cooperation. Well prepared.”

I don’t think Zafferano himself was as impressive for his Swedish test for free jumping as he was for Oldenburg… “Good impulsion. Uncooperative, fearless and dispassionate. Brave.” He only scored 5 & 6 for Sweden, but obviously higher for Oldenburg.

I agree that he’s a rare wonderful-moving dilute option and with the pedigree, even if you get a bay or chestnut, you should still get a quality animal. Being a Zack grandson (Sezuan, anyone?) will certainly help with marketability for buyers not well versed in Swedish breeding.

Additionally, the genetics for height are there – Zaladin is over 17.1h!

Zafferano’s full Swedish results:

Reviews exterior
Well-proportioned, well-developed. Expressive head, well-placed, well-shaped, arched neck, slightly low withers, deep trunk, long sloping kors.Välbenad. Relaxed, covering ground, rhythmical walk. Rhythmical, balanced trot, with slightly straight front legs but well set back legs.

Paces Walk Trot Canter temperament and development potential
8.13 8.0 8.0 8.5 8.0

review gaits
Active, relaxed walk. Rhythmical, active, fairly ground covering and bogfri trotting. The canter has good balance and buoyancy. Easy to control. Cooperating with great rideability.

Free jumping; Free jumping technique and ability; temperament and development potential
5.0 6.0

review loosejumping
Good impulsion. Uncooperative, fearless and dispassionate. Brave.
Lineage points dressage Suitability points dressage
1.0 1.0

Lineage
Modern Babydoll is the A-awarded and has a breeding index of 128 in dressage. She has left 4, even young offspring. La Pinta has been awarded the diploma and was 7th in the 3-year-olds in dressage. The grandmother C’est Si Bonne is a Elitsto that left 12 offspring, two of them have been awarded diplomas at the young horse assessments. A seed has investments in Msv dressage, jumping one at 1.30 and Shower Tennessee has investments in Int. In dressage. Grandmother, Ikea is A-awarded.

#13

Derid, can’t go wrong with extra Chagall. He was not only an Olympian himself, but produced several Olympians and his downline continue to have that international ability. :wink:

Zafferano is lovely. We’re working very, very hard to bring in his semen for 2017. :slight_smile:

#14

[QUOTE=rodawn;8968037]
Zafferano is lovely. We’re working very, very hard to bring in his semen for 2017. :)[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know how much it will be? (Feel free to PM me if you’d prefer!)

#15

How do you know? (Serious question, not snark) Have you seen some color genetics on him? Or do you know based off of his parents? I’ve been trying to figure it out but I am not well versed enough in color genetics! My head is just spinning.

#16

Well, he’s a palomino, so by default his cream (dilute) status is heterozygous Crcr. This means that every breeding has a 50/50 chance of passing the Cr (dilute) on.

FWIW, he is also ee, meaning, he’s homozygous for the red gene (e). A palomino is a chestnut (ee) with a single dilute/cream (Crcr).

Will that be exactly 50/50 out of, say, 10 breedings? Possibly yes, possibly no. You aren’t guaranteed an equal number of heads and tails on a coin flip over 10 flips.

But as the number of breedings goes up, the closer you get to 50/50. Over 100 foals, you’re going to be pretty close to 50% each, and over 500 you’re going to be nearly right on it.

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#17

Thanks. I went on the coat color calculator and matched him up with a mare I am thinking of breeding to him. Came up like this: [TABLE=“border: 0, cellpadding: 4, cellspacing: 0”]
[TR]
[TD=“width: 20%”]32.81% -[/TD]
[TD=“width: 80%”]Bay[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=“width: 20%”]32.81% -[/TD]
[TD=“width: 80%”]Buckskin[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=“width: 20%”]12.50% -[/TD]
[TD=“width: 80%”]Palomino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=“width: 20%”]12.50% -[/TD]
[TD=“width: 80%”]Red (Chestnut/Sorrel)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=“width: 20%”]4.69% -[/TD]
[TD=“width: 80%”]Smoky Black[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=“width: 20%”]4.69% -[/TD]
[TD=“width: 80%”]Black[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

of course I’m not totally sure of my mare’s genetics either (she’s one those really dark bays that could be black but based on the color of her parents, I put bay), I just wanted to get an idea. I know that they can test certain things to see if he heterozygous/homozygous etc… Wasn’t sure if they had done that and posted it somewhere.

#18

Oy, that chart got all screwy after I hit post. Basically, red number goes with the bold color underneath.

#19

As he is palomino, it is impossible for him to be anything but e/e Cr/cr. What we don’t know is his agouti status, and that will only effect his potential to pass on bay/black based on the colour of the mare. (If mare is A/A, there is 0 chance of black or smokey black). If you add together Buckskin, palomino and smokey black percentages, you can see where the 50% of passing on colour comes from…

#20

Yep, if either mare or Zafferano are AA, then both black and smoky black are not options for that cross. If he is AA, then he can never produce a black or smoky black foal.

If this mare is that dark, then most likely she is Aa, with that A being, theoretically but unproven, the brown variant of agouti.

The odds for Zafferano favor Aa over either aa or AA, but without a test, or potentially some foals, nobody knows.

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