Zenyatta: Wins the Breeder's Cup Classic! HOTY?

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Why wouldn’t Belmont put up some extra purse money for the Ruffian if they could get a RA-Zenyatta hook up?[/QUOTE]

Per NYRA Chief Executive Charles Hayward they don’t as a rule sweeten the pot to entice runners. However they are reviewing the matter, as I suspect that have with other runners, and could up the ante. The problem would be just as it is for any track - that money comes at the expense of the smaller trainers by way of depriving perhaps dozens and dozens of races an extra $5k towards each races purse.

You know what track could suddenly appear as a showdown setting: Hawthorne Race Course. It’s midway for both horses geographically, its on dirt, it plays fast, and with the exhaustion of almost all appeals by the casinos the track is to receive north of $18 million that’s been held in escrow. With that much money they could offer a mega-sized purse and hype up a big league match race of sorts.

As much as I too like the big show you have to hope the big players will agree to it for reasons of sportsmanship vs. the raw money.

Jess Jackson was rightfully bashed last year for pulling Curlin off the track after the BCC when he said there were no more races of the right prestige and purse. That was to me a slap in the face to a struggling Churchill Downs who treated him and Curlin like kings and wanted him to race in the Grade 2 Clark Handicap. He could’ve won that race, helped out CD, sent him out a hero and regained some of the tarnished record.

Maybe lessons have been learned? Who knows.

If circumstances are just such that Zenyatta doesn’t race Rachel Alexandra it won’t hurt RA’s reputation. She has set five stakes records already, defeated the best of her male counterparts, will take on males again plus older females, etc. If that doesn’t elevate her above the average I don’t know what does.

Further I think that Miss Isella (age 4) might just become the next big older female running star.

Slew never met Forego; Man O’War never met Exterminator; Tom Fool never met Native Dancer. I think their reputations will survive especially if Zenyatta finishes her career undefeated and Rachel knocks off a few more boys.

Jerry Moss has struck down a few mentioned possible races on NYRA tracks (Go For Wand, Personal Ensign, and Beldame) and further made a curious remark about Saratoga not being to Zenyatta’s style: see BloodHorse “…Duel Unlikely Before BC”

“Every venue has its idiosyncrasies that are risky,” noted Moss. “We had a very bad experience with Giacomo going to the detention barn at Belmont, which threw him out of his game for the Belmont Stakes (gr. I). He went nuts (finishing seventh, beaten nearly 18 lengths). At Saratoga, you have the detention barn, plus tight turns that would compromise Zenyatta given her running style of coming wide from behind."

Unclear if the door is inching more open to racing against boys or more closed to racing Rachel Alexandra … BloodHorse 7-22-09 “Moss: Zenyatta’s Plans Still Up in the Air”

Though Moss did not commit to racing the 5-year-old daughter of Street Cry outside of California or in the Breeders’ Cup Classic (gr. I), both of which have been bandied about, he did hint that she could race somewhere in between the Clement Hirsch and the Oct. 10 Lady’s Secret Stakes (gr. I) at Santa Anita, a race she also won in 2008 while prepping for the Breeders’ Cup Ladies Classic (gr. I).

“There might be something for her between the Clement Hirsch and the Lady’s Secret,” Moss said. “There’s two months between those races. But we haven’t made a decision past the Clement Hirsch. I don’t want to be mysterious about it, but we’re really just taking one race at a time.”

When asked if the Sept. 12 Ruffian Handicap (gr. I) for fillies and mares at Belmont Park might be an option for Zenyatta, Moss indicated that race would be unlikely. If Moss should choose to run Zenyatta against males while keeping her on the West Coast, the Sept. 6 Pacific Classic (gr. I) at Del Mar could be a viable option.

Just IMHO if she never takes on RA that won’t impact her chances for HOTY - however never taking on the boys likely will mean she has no chance …

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Just IMHO if she never takes on RA that won’t impact her chances for HOTY - however never taking on the boys likely will mean she has no chance …[/QUOTE]

I’d be right there with you IYHO. :yes: Which is not to say that if (what if?? :lol:) Zenyatta beats the boys in the Pacific Classic, it will be enough to win votes away from a classic-winning filly, especially if RA does well in the Haskell. Although if Zenyatta wins whatever Breeders Cup race she runs in and RA doesn’t go at all, there will be enough PO’d people at Jackson to swing votes Z’s way.

It’ll be fun to watch all the strategizing in the various campaigns. :slight_smile:

Zenyatta looks fit for this weekend’s run at Del Mar: ESPN 9-3-09 “Zenyatta ready for Clement Hirsch”

Zenyatta will put her unbeaten record on the line at Del Mar in the Grade 1, $300,000 Clement Hirsch Stakes, a race she won last year en route to an Eclipse Award as champion older filly or mare.

In an apparent indication of her readiness for this weekend’s race, Zenyatta turned in a sensational workout on Sunday morning, effortlessly breezing five furlongs in 1:00 while outworking Green Cat, a stablemate in trainer John Shirreffs’s barn. Of the 174 workouts on Del Mar’s main track on Sunday morning, only two received breezing designations.

“She’s sitting on go,” said Steve Willard, the regular exercise rider for Zenyatta. “I’ve been doing this for 50 years, and I still get a kick out of it with a horse like her. She goes in a high cruising speed, at three-quarter throttle, but you know you can swallow the other horse whenever you want.”

“Zenyatta looked really good,” Shirreffs said. “With the race a week away, you don’t want to do too much.”

The Hirsch, at 1 1/16 miles on Polytrack, is expected to have a small field, in large part because the Hirsch is a stakes race instead of a handicap, and Zenyatta will carry 123 pounds and concede, at most, four pounds to her rivals.

Brisnet suggests that she should come to Saratoga next for the Woodward

Why would the Woodward be right for Zenyatta? Simply stated, she long ago ran out of competition in Southern California. Following an expected repeat score in Sunday’s Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1), her reputation can’t be considerably enhanced by defending her titles in the Lady’s Secret S. (G1) and Breeders’ Cup Ladies’ Classic (G1) alone. This reasoning perhaps runs contrary to the beliefs of owners Jerry and Ann Moss and trainer John Shirreffs, but if they truly believe in their mare’s capabilities, it’s long past due for them to take her out of her comfort zone.

Shirreffs’ hesitancy at exposing Zenyatta to the potential travails of a pre-race detention barn in New York is reportedly a major obstacle, but not even Shirreffs knows for sure how the amazon would handle the situation. The stable’s negative experiences with Giacomo and Tiago in the detention barn prior to their attempts in the Belmont S. (G1) should have no bearing on their decision to race Zenyatta in New York. Giacomo wasn’t going to beat Afleet Alex at any rate, and Tiago wasn’t going to beat Rags to Riches and Curlin.

I think its time for the Zenyatta connections to take a risk and ease out of her comfort zone if they really want consideration for HOTY.

I agree. I LOVE her, but she has been “comfortable”.

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I agree. I LOVE her, but she has been “comfortable”.[/QUOTE]

Just to be clear - comfort is in relation to doing something “easy”. No one would want her to get tied up with muscle cramps, etc. Easy is playing the same old venues, taking on the same old faces and small fields of challengers. It’s akin to a professional military up against conscript soldiers pulled off from working the fields. In effect the odds are stacked and the battle really not much of one.

She ships no problem (they were at Churchill with her for the undercard of the Kentucky Oaks this year), she runs on dirt and has no problem with weight and is flexible on distances. She’s 5 and has been around males and has even trained with them. So its doubtful she’d suddenly go into heat and the race already at a disadvantage.

As such she should be asked to step up (again, only if they want to argue with any validity the case for HOTY) against males of her own age or more stiff older female competition outside of CA. If they want to cash checks - and there is no disgrace there - then fine, swim in the shallow seas of California and keep taking on small fields with most opponents satified with running for place or show.

Every now and again you have to take that Ferrari out of the garage and be reminded of what it really is capable of …

POST OF THE DAY!!! :lol::lol::lol:

Whatever else you think of the man, Jackson has thrown down the gauntlet in a very sporting way. Rather than simply talk his filly up as we have seen so many times before with other owners, he’s running her in some of the toughest spots out there for the three year old division.

Eventually she will move onto older fillies and older males. If she wins the Woodward, the pressure will be on Moss to respond in a meaningful way and that means leaving California.

The problem wasn’t created by Moss or Jackson because arguably they are both trying to do right by their fillies. The problem is the Breeders Cup running on synthetics 2 years in a row. That’s a whole career for some of the elite dirt horses.

Oh now that’s just begging for this: the question isn’t what are we going to do, the question is what aren’t we going to do…

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Oh now that’s just begging for this: the question isn’t what are we going to do, the question is what aren’t we going to do…[/QUOTE]

I’m sure there are times that John Sherriffs would say: If you had access to a horse like this, would you take it back right away?

Off topic but that home in the movie is for sale

Ah, and we were just “speaking” of him in this thread … well John Hughes RIP

The post positions have been drawn and Zenyatta gets the outside and co-heavy weight assignment for Sunday August 9th signature race to be aired on TVG:

$300,000 Clement L. Hirsch Stakes Grade 1
Del Mar Race Course: Race 8 at 5:30 p.m. PST
Restriction: F & M, 3 & Up
Distance (surface): 1 1/16 Miles (All Weather)

PP. Horse, Jockey, Weight, Trainer

  1. Tidal Dance (FL), J. Valdivia, Jr., 119, P. Eurton
  2. Patricia’s Gem (KY), V. Espinoza, 119, R. E. Mandella
  3. Briecat (FL), M. Garcia, 119, V. Cerin
  4. Dawn After Dawn (FL), A. Quinonez, 119, J. W. Sadler
  5. Champagne Eyes (KY), J. Rosario, 119, D. F. O’Neill
  6. Hot n’ Dusty (CA), A.O. Solis, 119, B. Abrams
  7. Life Is Sweet (KY), G. K. Gomez, 123, J. A. Shirreffs
  8. Anabaa’s Creation (IRE), T. Baze, 119, J. C. Canani
  9. Lethal Heat (CA), J. Talamo, 119, B. Abrams
  10. Zenyatta (KY), M. E. Smith, 123, J. A. Shirreffs

I’ve always loved Zenyatta but the question is, why not take her away from California? There are good horses running on the East Coast and she should be part of it…I know they are trying to be careful and truly care about this mare…I would love to see her match up with the best of them and that includes some three year olds this year and they are the boys club too not just RA…
Racing this year has been very exciting…More then watching one horse try and win the TC or the Breeders Cup…
How long is the JCGC? I remembering hearing years back it was 2 miles, I know it is not that but would this race test ALL at distance? Or is there something else?

Anybody catch the coverage of Zenyatta schooling in the paddock today on TVG? She looks like a monster. But she was very well behaved, other than trying to eat the stall :lol:.

She IS a monster! :cool:

Any way to watch the race live? (No TVG, HRTV, or fancy ESPN channels here.) I’m keen to watch her Spanish Walk in the post parade.

Youbet.com will give you a free 1/2 hour (cumulative) of racing per day.type in the address and then click on Santa Anita. The race is at 5:30 California time. Its race 8.

I don’t see where we can see it on their site, unfortunately.

Sorry.

Calracing.com has it live streaming. You need to sign up but its free. They are on race 3 right now.