2022 Foal Watch?

[skydy]

@Texarkana What a puzzle. Good luck!

[JBCool]

@skydy

Lovely Goldencents! What a great photo of her leaping.

Cheeky!

[Texarkana]

Vet just left, definitely a baby in there. Foal watch continues.

[skydy]

Oh boy! Are you still considering sending your mare to foal out elsewhere?

[Texarkana]

@skydy

Oh boy! Are you still considering sending your mare to foal out elsewhere?

I considered it, even called a few places last week. Places are pretty full right now. Plus I have no clue when she may go. She’s been pretty inconsistent with the signs of progression which isn’t atypical. I just don’t know her history.

[skydy]

Any guesses from the vet?

[Texarkana]

“Soon, probably.”

[skydy]

@Texarkana

That’s what I’m wondering. I honestly haven’t reached out to where she came from yet because I was going to wait until the foal was on the ground. There’s a couple layers of complication. My fear is they will say “you need to send her back.”

Can they do that? You bought her, right? It’s their fault that they didn’t discover the pregnancy.

[EventerAJ]

@Texarkana

“Soon, probably.”

Isn’t that helpful. Even when you know the bred date, mares just do their own thing! We bought a foalert system this year and it definitely helped catch the sneaky mare, and was peace of mind to sleep when you “know” it’s not tonight. Our mares have not been very textbook this year, only 1 has waxed/dripped and had bright white milk hours before foaling (and even that one had false premature labor the week before, with thick creamy milk). The rest have had honey/cloudy lemonade looking milk, and two of them went from pH 7 in the AM to foaling within 18hrs. 2 others sat at low 6 pH for 3 days. There have been “signs” (tail slackening, both udders full that night, etc) but you really have to know them to recognize…and even then it’s not a neon sign of TONIGHT!

Hoping all ends well for you, what a lovely STB to be expecting!

[EventerAJ]

@LaurieB

@EventerAJ, I love the pictures. And I agree about how quickly the foals grow. This is Scribble, our filly by Goldencents, now a month old.

Scribble is lovely! What beautiful balance. I watched some breezing at OBS yesterday, and was very impressed by the Goldencents I saw. His mare book has improved and it really shows… they should sell well.

[Texarkana]

@skydy

@Texarkana

That’s what I’m wondering. I honestly haven’t reached out to where she came from yet because I was going to wait until the foal was on the ground. There’s a couple layers of complication. My fear is they will say “you need to send her back.”

Can they do that? You bought her, right? It’s their fault that they didn’t discover the pregnancy.

I got her through a racehorse rehoming org. My contract doesn’t cover “oops we sent you a pregnant horse,” but the horse is not yet outright mine yet. I don’t think the org themselves would want her back but I don’t know what type of agreement they had with the previous owner.

I’m not trying to be sly with the details, I just haven’t told them yet because I wanted to be 100% sure I wasn’t over-reacting. Going to loop them in here shortly.

[LaurieB]

@Texarkana

I got her through a racehorse rehoming org. My contract doesn’t cover “oops we sent you a pregnant horse,” but the horse is not yet outright mine yet. I don’t think the org themselves would want her back but I don’t know what type of agreement they had with the previous owner.

I’m not trying to be sly with the details, I just haven’t told them yet because I wanted to be 100% sure I wasn’t over-reacting. Going to loop them in here shortly.

I hope everything works out just the way you want it to. It seems like several people dropped the ball on this mare’s way to you–and hopefully all will agree that she (and her foal) are yours. You’ll probably be liable for the stud fee, however, if you want to register the foal.

If either of the previous owners ask for the mare to be returned, you can charge them a hefty (KY-size ) board and foaling fee and that might deter them a bit.

[Texarkana]

@LaurieB

@Texarkana

I got her through a racehorse rehoming org. My contract doesn’t cover “oops we sent you a pregnant horse,” but the horse is not yet outright mine yet. I don’t think the org themselves would want her back but I don’t know what type of agreement they had with the previous owner.

I’m not trying to be sly with the details, I just haven’t told them yet because I wanted to be 100% sure I wasn’t over-reacting. Going to loop them in here shortly.

I hope everything works out just the way you want it to. It seems like several people dropped the ball on this mare’s way to you–and hopefully all will agree that she (and her foal) are yours. You’ll probably be liable for the stud fee, however, if you want to register the foal.

If either of the previous owners ask for the mare to be returned, you can charge them a hefty (KY-size ) board and foaling fee and that might deter them a bit.

I don’t know how I want it to work out except I want my new horse to be healthy! I had zero intentions of dipping my toe into the standardbred breeding business.

I assumed I would be responsible for the stud fee and not really sure how to approach that. It’s not a big fee compared to what I’m used to but I also don’t have it in disposable funds I was planning to spend.

[skydy]

That makes the situation a little more complicated…

I hope it works out well for everyone.

[Texarkana]

@EventerAJ

@Texarkana

“Soon, probably.”

Isn’t that helpful. Even when you know the bred date, mares just do their own thing! We bought a foalert system this year and it definitely helped catch the sneaky mare, and was peace of mind to sleep when you “know” it’s not tonight. Our mares have not been very textbook this year, only 1 has waxed/dripped and had bright white milk hours before foaling (and even that one had false premature labor the week before, with thick creamy milk). The rest have had honey/cloudy lemonade looking milk, and two of them went from pH 7 in the AM to foaling within 18hrs. 2 others sat at low 6 pH for 3 days. There have been “signs” (tail slackening, both udders full that night, etc) but you really have to know them to recognize…and even then it’s not a neon sign of TONIGHT!

Hoping all ends well for you, what a lovely STB to be expecting!

I am hearing from a lot of local people that they are seeing less “textbook” progression this year and also seeing mares go late/well over their 340.

This mare has turned on her neon “tonight” sign a couple times now, only to turn it off the next day! I finally grabbed some pH strips today so I can add one more indicator to give me more mixed signals.

Good luck with your last few! I can’t wait to see them. If I knew my new riding horse was going to wind up pregnant, I would have stuck with a TB.

[weixiao]

Typically, I would think that the mare was sold “as is” and you would own the foal and would not be responsible for the stud fee. Maybe normal practice is different in the STB world though? Keep us updated, I hope everything goes smoothly for you!

Things seem to have slowed down with my mare for a bit but this morning (332 days) things got going again. Clear fluid leaking from both teats and tail head very soft. She is a maiden, so where that puts us, who knows, but we’re moving closer! I’m unfortunately out of town again next week (two years of no work travel and now it has to start again at the most inconvenient time!) but I’m definitely getting very excited (and nervous) about how close we are getting! Maybe she’ll hold out for me to get back and I am hoping the weird storms and 50 degree temperature swings we’ve been having will be behind us now.

[Texarkana]

@weixiao

Typically, I would think that the mare was sold “as is” and you would own the foal and would not be responsible for the stud fee. Maybe normal practice is different in the STB world though? Keep us updated, I hope everything goes smoothly for you!

It wasn’t a sale, it was an “adoption” through a racehorse rehoming organization. That’s the complication.

I spoke with the organization this AM and they were shocked. Shocked! But very supportive and are going to reach out to her former owner to get any info they can.

Through my own research, USTA is a bit different than the Jockey Club in the sense that the “breeder” is whoever owns the mare at the time of conception and the “foal owner” is whoever owns the mare at the time of foaling. You also have to be a USTA member, which I’m not, although I do have a free account I created to purchase her race record, etc. To register the foal her previous owner will need to sign all the papers, etc. Plus we need to figure out the stud fee situation. But at this moment, we aren’t even 100% on who the sire is, just working under the assumption it’s a pregnancy from the recorded March 2021 breeding. If it is him, the contract was LFSN and it’s likely nothing was paid yet.

[MunchingonHay]

When I was a young adult, I used to groom babies / weanies for White Horse Farm in PA before they closed and when I see an Arts Place, Cam Fella, the Hanover horses, … and Matts Scooter down the pedigree my heart skips a bit and of course I FLIPPED OUT when I saw Oxford Mary Ann and Camsbest. . She was such a little mare and stout. She and Classic Cassette were one of the last of the broodmares to be sold at auction.

I always flashback to my days of grooming countless bay/brown babies. Thank you for the flashback.

[Texarkana]

@MunchingonHay

When I was a young adult, I used to groom babies / weanies for White Horse Farm in PA before they closed and when I see an Arts Place, Cam Fella, the Hanover horses, … and Matts Scooter down the pedigree my heart skips a bit and of course I FLIPPED OUT when I saw Oxford Mary Ann and Camsbest. . She was such a little mare and stout. She and Classic Cassette were one of the last of the broodmares to be sold at auction.

I always flashback to my days of grooming countless bay/brown babies. Thank you for the flashback.

Oh cool!

I got to take care of Artsplace for the last weeks/months of his life and he was THE BEST. Seriously adored him. He was in a lot of pain at the end but was all class. I have wanted one by him ever since but nothing ever really worked out.

So I was thrilled when I learned my mare is his granddaughter after I had agreed to take her:

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bcs+jesse

[cripplecreekfrm]

I do know that STB world is a little different that everyone else as the majority of stallion contracts the stud fee isn’t due until after the foal stands and nurses.