Did you happen to ask him for current pictures? Totally curious how he’s looking these days.
Anyone can sell any horse that has no brands as a “home grown” unless they end up with a brand inspector that really wants to call them out on it. It’s done all the time. If Pete has a brand though there has to be an inspection to legally get out of MT. In the dark of night not so much.
No, I didn’t ask for pics. I’m curious too to see how he is. He’s in Texas and Pete is in Montana so doubt they’d be current.
I’d take him if he needs a soft place to land in Texas.
Pete is in MT, Cereal is on TX.
Cereal’s ph# is on the auction site.
Give him a call. Can’t hurt, might help.
Cyril Bertheau
786-672-7666
If someone pays SFB for Pete and gets a bill of sale, for many purposes that’s all the documentation the buyer needs for any next steps. If it doesn’t matter to the buyer that there is no proof of the prior transaction, then it doesn’t matter. Pete will have been money-laundered into legitimacy, as it were.
We don’t have brand inspection in Texas and no other gov’t requirements for a bill of sale that I have ever known of. As far as my own experience, I’ve never known a buyer to ask a seller for proof the seller owns the horse. I’ve never had to show my bill of sale.
But auctions and racetracks and so forth in Texas may have that requirement. Virtually all of the 254 counties in Texas have a livestock auction that runs weekly or monthly.
That said, who gets a new horse without some manner of bill of sale showing that they own the horse, especially if they immediately plan to travel across state lines with said horse? If someone just handed him Pete behind the auction barn to get Pete off their hands, who takes a horse so old and worthless for use that he’s a giveaway to be the pack horse for a cross-country journey? I mean I know who, but just sayin’. 
I was thinking of traveling, especially crossing state lines with Pete, as potentially being a problem. Some states require a brand inspection for any traveling, and I’m assuming that a very reputable commercial shipper could ask for proof of ownership and a brand inspection.
Johnson Horse Transportation goes to Montana a few times per year, usually. They are based in PA.
Good thought. They are probably shipping to Spruce next month.
If Pete doesn’t have a brand he can leave MT with a bill of sale written on a napkin and a current brand inspection stating home grown (if the BI plays ball, all those pictures of him with knucklehead would certainly help the case). If he teleported into my pasture tonight I could sell him to Spud tomorrow with those papers and he would be legal all the way (with a health cert and coggins). He is supposed to have a BI to leave his county in MT (of which we have 56) and of course was supposed to have all of that when he arrived in MT to stay.
I thought I unsubscribed from all these stupid chat things, but I guess I’m glad I didn’t?
This one popped up last night from the Stop Cyril page on FB.
The buyer of Pete can get their own bill of sale from Cereal and use it for the brand inspection. If the buyer isn’t fussed about Cereal not having one for the previous transaction, it’s fine.
I’m thinking that MT probably only requires a bill of sale for the purchase by the current owner – showing where current owner got the horse. Yes or no?
Or does MT ask for bills of sale for every transaction for that horse, all the way back to birth?
If prior transaction docs are required, the tale that Cereal somehow bred and birthed Pete himself, in MT … well I dunno, does that work? If not, some backstory and a doc to support it could be ginned up, I suppose. Not that I suggest anyone break the law, of course. 
Yes, only need the bill of sale that was received by the current owner or a current inspection. If we wanted to sell one of our horses we would only need to have their current brand inspection paper work, exactly like a car. IF we had a horse that had never had a brand inspection and we were going to take it out of our county OR sell it, and we thought we were tricky, we would call the BI and claim the horse was “home grown” (shaky) and try to maintain that the horse had not ever lived or travelled to another county in its life. The homegrown claim won’t pass the sniff test with a legit BI but they can be shopped around. I think they are cracking down on that more but it’s certainly been used for a very long time to get around not having an inspection on an unbranded horse. It’s a real project if you end up owning a horse without a BOS or a brand inspection and then want to sell it legally or take it out of the county legally.
Where knucklehead runs into issues is if Pete is in the middle of MT with no brand inspection on file and obviously wasn’t born there with plenty of social media proving it. A “whatever” BI would just write a homegrown inspection without asking any questions. With the eyeballs on this situation that would be a risky thing for an inspector to do. A BI just trying to keep things moving might ask for a bill of sale and research the situation then either scold and/or fine knucklehead but probably write it. A hardball inspector could fine him, not issue the inspection, and then possibly confiscate the horse but not sure about that part. Most likely scenario if Pete really doesn’t have a brand inspection and only a BOS knucklehead will get a fine and the inspection will get written.
I should say, this is all as I understand it and how I could imagine different scenarios going; I’m not a brand inspector, just someone who has dealt with them over the years.
I know it is stupid on my part to keep asking this, but what dam knucklehead, on a great adventure enterprise that should have been planned to the nth degree, brings a horse with no bill of sale into a state, illegally, that now has him hemmed in, unable to sell or even move the horse without repercussions? A horse he acquired during the great adventure trip, not one he’d owned previously and lost the bill of sale. All this could have been known ahead of time - easily.
This dam knucklehead, of course. Oh Pete, you need a commando rescue squad to bust in and spirit you out of there, to somewhere nice and much further south. But that’s illegal, too.
What a dumbass.
Hopefully whatever landowner is blessed with Pete now is able to lien him into their ownership, and responsibly place him in a good home.
Looks like Falcon’s on a trailer. No sign of Poor Old Pete.
I heard a horse whinny in the background right at the end of the video. I wonder if that was Pete upset because Falcon was leaving
That whinny sounded like it came from inside the trailer.
I doubt we will hear anything about Pete after this. Cereal hates Pete because he feels Pete slowed him down. There’s video of him getting frustrated and cursing at Pete for not keeping up and tangling up the pony line. (That cereal posted on his SM).
I was reading some of the comments on various TT about how people are speculating that the bidders were cereal and his family driving up the bid. I have a hard time believing that becuase if a family member got stuck with the highest bid after the reserve, won’t they have had to buy him?
Someone will pay what they feel something is worth. Business class 101.
If it was Cereal and family and they do have to buy him, the money (minus anything that goes to auction house and other expenses) goes to Cereal, I’d suppose, so the money stays in the family. And the horse has been advertised now, with pictures and glowing 
text and Cereal’s name and phone number with the horse’s location, so there may well still be interest.
Falcon looks good. Someone has a flashy little gaited horse that’s kind enough to pack an utter fool over hill 'n dale. May Falcon live long and prosper, far away from Lame Brain. 
I do wish we could find out about Pete. He deserves a good home. I hope he isn’t quietly dumped.
So much for the great adventure story. So much for fame and renown making the horses worth many times their market value.
At least the horses are getting a chance to move forward, hopefully to something better.
Hoping the Kind Soul (Sucker?) who housed & fed both for so long will either keep Pete or find him a home 
@OverandOnward Only Falcon is going to a new home.
No updates on Pete yet 
But he has zero value to Pinhead, may very well just be abandoned in MT.
I have half a mind to answer that Roommate Wanted ad, then back out in (pretend) horror saying I’ve read of the Quest & wouldn’t live with such an idiotic abuser of animals 
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