4 day horse show in Katy, TX next week?

Not sure how others feel, but I was shocked to find out yesterday that there is a 4 day horse show happening at Great Southwest in Katy, TX against the governor and local mandates. The governor made clear there is to be limited opening (25% capacity) of restaurants, retail, and outdoor sports that include a maximum of 4 participants in a designated area at 1 time. This just went into affect on Friday, and the following Wednesday you’re doing a show? Any idea how they think they can get away with this? Personally I think it’s pretty terrible and will be why this virus will get worse.

Also, has usef banned their licensed officials (like FEI did) from judging such events during the usef closure? Looks like all of the judges are USEF R judges…

oh yeah, and offering prize money up to 10k with no mention of limiting entries…
https://www.gswec.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2020-FC-Show-Prize-List-1.pdf

This is a “schooling” show, so it is not USEF rated. The USEF can’t police that, but the governor of the state can, I imagine. FEI banned judges from doing “virtual shows”, not schooling shows. I assume the USEF protocol is the same.
Personally, I would not attend. But this show is not violating any USEF rules, as I see it.

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From the open Texas report:

As outlined in Governor Abbott’s executive order GA-18, individuals may engage in outdoor sports, provided that the sports do not include contact with other participants, and no more than four participants play the sport at any time. Please note, under executive order GA-18, individuals shall avoid public swimming pools.

https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/…xas-Report.pdf

This is not a comment on my opinion if this show is a good idea or not, but it is clearly within the limits of the Texas executive order on reopening the State. I hope that they manage schooling rings to limit it to 4 horses at a time, but in reality the “play” time is only time actually in the ring. They would need to be creative on flat classes, but it’s workable.

I am not attending, for a variety of reasons.

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Do you have a sense of how broadly people have been able to ride? My first thought upon reading the title of this thread was “This is a stupid idea” followed immediately by “Everyone is unfit and they will all fall off.”

But I’m in MD, where things have been more firmly shut and for longer, so maybe that’s less of a consideration and the people who would consider going have also been in the tack recently (whether or not that was a good idea at the time.)

Here, our local horse show organizations- even the schooling shows- have pushed back their seasons, rescheduled, cancelled in line with USEF, and I can’t imagine that most people will find it prudent to show before July even if our shelter in place order ended in mid-May. Which, looking at our state numbers, does not seem advisable. Unless the horse is on your property or your farm is staffed to be able to ride them all and your funds extend to switching to full training, the horses are unfit and so are the riders.

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Sounds like you’re doing the right thing, however, I don’t think it’s allowed. A horse show is not purely about “play time” as something like golf or tennis is. The amount of exposure (regardless of how careful you are) in the barn, public restrooms, etc is not something I believe the governor would feel is ok. I researched a little and there are definitely not golf tournaments happening at this time, what is the difference between a horse show and a golf tournament? I think this is a long stretch for them to consider this legal.

Also, how about all of the 8 year olds that haven’t seen their friends in months and are now running around together? And the grooms partying together?

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I’m not sure about the Houston area (where Katy is), but here in San Antonio most of the serious riders have been schooling and training more or less per usual. Fitness and prep shouldn’t enter into it. Our rates of Covid have been really low compared to a lot of areas.

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It is my understanding that the basis of the FEI banning judges from judging virtual shows is the long-existing rule that an FEI judge cannot judge an unsanctioned event within six months of judging an FEI show. Unsanctioned would include schooling shows as well as virtual shows.

I don’t see a comparable USEF rule in the rulebook, but I might just not know where to look.

  1. Article 155 - Status and Liability of Officials. Points 7-12.
  1. An Official is not eligible to participate in an International Event or National Event (and so may not be invited or nominated to participate in such event) if he/she has participated, in the six (6) months prior to the first day of the International Event or National Event in question, in an Unsanctioned Event.

Few barns have shut down, most have been riding. I have been riding for the duration. Some people have chosen not to ride due to personal preference and risk aversion. As a person who got bucked off twice and felt so ashamed I can see why one would make that choice.

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Golf tournaments by nature require more than 4 people to be at play at a single time. The declaration indicates at play, which is in competition. Legally this is clear. Which is to say nothing about 8 year olds running around and grooms partying together. Port Aransas is packed this weekend, was a ghost town last weekend. People will operate at their own decision of risk level, but there is nothing illegal about a horse show happening under the current sport rule.

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“R” and “r” judges do local shows all the time, the local organization here in Austin prefers to hire judges with ratings. The locals would truly die without this availability. As far as I know there is no rule against judging local shows, or schooling shows, which would apply here.

I hoped as much for USEF judges

There is no rule in the USEF rule book restricting judges from officiating at unrecognized events, and I have not seen anything from USEF to change that situation. They send out occasional emails to all the licensed officials when something comes up, but I have not received one on this subject.

It is FEI, not USEF, that has rules against their judges working at ‘unsanctioned’ shows. I think Equestrian Canada may have a similar rule, but I am not sure.

Honestly not trying to start a political debate or anything but the way the US has handled COVID is appalling. I understand it is a much more populous country without universal healthcare and that poses greater problems than in Canada, but even considering that, the policies have been negligent and downright idiotic. I urge people to do research on the subject and not necessarily rely on their state officials for safety guidelines.

It’s far from perfect over here but we shut down schools for the remainder of the year in most provinces long ago. All non-essential business has been closed for months. No one is allowed to meet with other people for recreation, even a single friend. I haven’t seen my horse in 8 weeks and there is to be absolutely no one on the property that is not essential staff. Certainly no riding. This is partially as not to add stress to the healthcare system should accidents happen. My province has 2100 cases and is completely shut down and the US number of DIAGNOSED cases is 1.2 million (maybe double that undiagnosed).

The fact that recreational group events are still happening in the states is terrifying and underlies a greater issue of people placing their own comforts over the safety and lives of others.

I know this is a horrifying time for small business and my heart aches for barn owners especially as the US government doesn’t seem to be providing much in the way of financial supports or subsidy. The reality is that that even if barns are allowed to reopen anytime soon, it needs to be under EXTREME regulations.

There is NO safe way to run a horse-show during this time. You cannot expect people to follow hygiene practices in these areas and the nature of the event makes it impossible. There are just too many people and again you are risking accidents for recreation. Shows should be cancelled until at least fall or full contact tracing/antibody testing is available and widespread.

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Correct. I am both an Equestrian Canada Senior Hunter judge and USEF R Hunter judge. In Canada, I can only judge EC-rated and Provincially rated shows, but as a USEF judge, I can judge both rated and non-rated shows in the U.S. It is only the last few years that Canada finally toned down on their restrictions. Previously, EC hunter/jumper and dressage judged were only allowed to judge EC-rated shows and nothing else.

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The rate of Covid cases in Texas is rising. It has not leveled off. It is rising.

Having horse shows right now is very unwise.

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I heard that today too and that’s why I have opted not to do this show or any shows quite yet. I think it’s still a little soon to know what the ramifications will be of all of this, sadly :frowning:

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I’m not belittling the virus but please note there has been over 800 deaths in the state of Texas. Its not NYC.

With that said, I wouldn’t go as I do think its too soon plus they are charging the same prices as a rated show. I like to get my points.

Texas has 32,600+ Covid cases and 900+ deaths as of today. and the rate of Covid cases in Texas is rising. Slowing the transmission of the virus is the goal.

I think everyone is aware that Texas is not in NYC.

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Yes, I can read numbers also. 32,332 cases and 884 deaths as of this morning.