$500 just to look? WTF?

I didn’t join this to talk about the actual, physical business.
I have no opinion on the owner personally and the horses pictured did not look abused or underfed at all.

I do have an opinion about that website and the statements, mistatements, claims and outright hilarious goof ups like hypoallergenic WBs or saying the staff leaves the gates open sometimes so the studs get loose and accidentally breed the mares-who would advertise that???.

THAT IS FUNNY.
And an entertaining read on a slow holiday weekend when my horse is done and I have some rare time with no demands.
Not up to anybody else to decide how I spend my rare free time.

This business owner needs to get a clue about her web advertising. I think that has been accomplished.

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Could someone please tell me for WHAT on gods green earth anyone could sue COTH? We looked at a PUBLIC web site and commented on a PUBLIC bb about what we thought.

Sure, a couple people talked about going to the place in jest, but as Erin said, they weren’t serious, and they did no such thing.

JSwan and Dagan keep talking and talking and throwing around words like libel and slander, but no one is saying what exactly we could be “sued” for. As far as I see it, NOTHING. (See above comment about PUBLIC websites…)

P.S. Sorry for repeating the word. It was more out of shock that someone would actually write that. That’s just plain dirty.

I repeat…

oh for goodness sakes! Horse DEALERS??? I’d like to think that most folks on this BB have more than a passing fancy with horses! I remember 40 some years ago knowing about “horse dealers”. And that was before I knew about the atrocities of what REALLY happens to some horses. This VSH seems to be a throwback to those types of so-called “horse dealers” I had hoped we had progressed farther than that…But then again, I am in an area where all those farms and riding stables have gone the way of “development” for fancy houses…

Oh goodie, two more pages added while I was away … at the barn, in fact, Dagan. :wink:

Before I even read it all, I am sure this warning will be applicable:

Don’t feed the trolls.

Don’t take the bait.

Oh, Elon Grad, eeeeeeekkkk…let’s not insult the WTD crowd! They may not give us our next smashed beer can medal no matter how many leapbuckfarts we include in our next test!:smiley:

Seriously, I think that J Swan has a very valid point regarding the elemental concept that if you don’t like this woman’s policies (and Hrskpr states it very nicely that the website is totally clear and up front abouther polcies and attitudes and approach to the business rather than doing the wink and steal method), then just don’t participate… don’t go there, don’t buy horses and if you know any “green” horse people tell them to be very sure they understand the stated policies very clearly before they become customers so that they are not spending money they may not want to spend.

Someone in an earlier post posited that Ms. Booth’s business sounded like it was geared to those who are NOT looking for that serious horse-love that alot of us have (admit it, girls!!!) searched for and found. I think there is a very high likelihood that is exactly what this particular business is about. I, myself, spent quite alot of time looking around before getting my Doc (QH)and now my Dabby(OTTB). For ME, these two horses are VERY big deals in my life as I had always wanted my own horse and now they are like family members. But, there are many horse folks that deal more in “numbers” of horses because they are trying to actually “do business” in showing or breeding or training or teaching riding or whatever and so they look at buying a horse more as an investment than a prized pet.

And, Dagan, I’d like to know more about YOUR own horse experience? Are you a horse owner, and if so, how was your experience in selecting your horse(s)? I do not mean that in a sarcastic manner (text is hard…no voice inflections!), but as a real question…because it helps to know what others have gone through or how they have dealt with various issues. Or, perhaps are you a business owner yourself and so you know the vagaries of dealing with business issues? It’s a tough market out there.

Also, Dagan,it’s OK to be angry and need to vent with your opinion when you see something going on that you feel is a negative thing, but calling people here “twats” and using the f-word is not conducive to getting that opinion heard…people get “stuck” on those words and aren’t hearing your voice clearly regarding the OPINION you have. Name calling (whether it’s from people here on the board or from new “outsiders” is NOT helpful. I think you have a right to your opinion and even your anger considering your viewpoint, but let’s leave the nastiness aside…people will hear you more clearly.:yes:

AT any rate, folks, if this lady’s website copy has created this much furor, then she IS going to feel the effects of it. No matter what she wants to charge for whatever activities (that is HER choice as it is HER business, whether or not her practices coincide with generally agreed upon horse business practices…it’s a free country).

I DO personally feel that she could have worded her copy in a less offensive manner yet still provide CLEAR rules of practice of her business, so some of this reaction lies with that kind of communication style. IF she is trying to keep out the riff-raff or time wasters so that her profit margins are higher and the hassles are lower, in essence I can understand that viewpoint. I don’t think she’s properly given that impression because of HOW the copy is/was written. :no: I would have worded things entirely differently had that been my objective. As I pointed out in an earlier post, I wonder who actually did the copywriting? She might have been better served in her goals with things worded differently.

HOWEVER, alllllll of that being said ---- J Swan and Dagan have valid points in that Ms Booth’s business has been highly attacked. Wouldn’t it just be better to advise your friends to not buy from her if that’s your feelings about the matter?:confused:

Nope - been on this BB for six years - the slaughter thread that another poster started actually had some interesting discussion in it - after some folks took their toys and went elsewhere. It just died down naturally.

Seems like the folks with the mean streak started posting on this thread.

However - I’m done for the day - while we have been having this most lovely little chat the vet came and did an emergency euthanasia of Koza - one of my goats.

See what happens when you go away, Erin;)

Starting to get back on track as a COTH classic though…I’m waiting for Sybil:D

You know, J Swan, for all your complaining about people’s innuendo and accusations, you’re doing a LOT of it yourself.

Wrong. What the person said is “Please everyone, send her your comments on “Contact Us” on the site. Let’s see what she has to say. It would spice up this thread!”

Nowhere were people encouraged to call. Nowhere were people encouraged to harass. While I don’t particularly enjoy when people try to “spice up” a thread, it’s hardly threatening. In fact, it would appear that this person was doing exactly what you were suggesting people do – going to the source and asking “what she has to say.”

Or suggesting people do a drive by?

Wrong again. One poster said “OK, Mapquest says they are 23 miles from our new farm. Maybe I need to take a drive this weekend.”

Not illegal, harrassing, or threatening to drive by a farm on a public road. In fact, I am planning to do it tomorrow to check out a boarding facility near me. :wink:

Or how 'bout the folks who insinuating that she sold horses to killer buyers,

Well, what would YOU think if someone offered to “liquidate” a horse for $300?

No one, that I have seen, ever stated for a fact that she sells horses to killer buyers. What they said is that the wording on her own website makes it SOUND AS IF she does. If she doesn’t, removing the references to “liquidation” would probably be a very, very good idea.

or was somehow committing a felony

HER OWN WEBSITE said she alters Coggins tests. This wasn’t something that people here accused her of out of the blue.

There has been no harrassment that I am aware of. No threats. No one has gone to her farm. People are just discussing and expressing opinions about what is (or was) on her website, as is their right.

  1. She was emailed

  2. She wote this drivel herself

  3. Do you even know what tortious interference is? Never mind how to spell it.

And 4… It is utter bs that ‘lives have been ruined’ and ‘a fine upstanding horse trader ruined’ by a few pages on a bb. If she got laughed at, too bad. She put that out there, she got mocked for it. As for YOUR theatening everyone who has posted on this thread with stomach maladies and the trots because they reacted with scorn and derision, well, then SHAME ON YOU! SHAME!!!

Now go ahead and show us what free speech is all about and get this thread deleted because you don’t agree with the well deserved mockery that has been levelled at ms coggins alterater crooked horse trader.

Ooops. Are you going to edit my post? Sue me? Have me arrested?

Whatever.

I could be wrong,it does happen,but I think it unlikely that Mz. Booth’s business has been affected negatively in any signifficant way by the opinions posted in this thread.I mean,the people who find her policies to be boardering on the insane,are not in the least bit likely to buy a horse from her regardless of any of our silly little opinions,are they?The people who find her policies to be reasonable ,are not going to give a rat’s patootie about what I think,or what the other posters think,are they? If she is selling 3000 horses a year,or 2 horses a day ,or what ever it is,she doesn’t really need our business,does she? Infact, I would say she is doing quite a bit better for herself than I am for myself.She does not want the average customer to be found lurking amongst these pages.She doesn’t want people who are concerned about soundness,or suitability,or are too stupid to understand a vet report.Those type of customers take up way too much time and energy to bother with when there is a market more hassel free to tap.I don’t think many of those customers are studying the pages of this bulletin board looking for our opinions to guide them in their equine search.So really,I don’t think you need to worry about Mz. Booth. She will do just fine without us.:yes: :yes: :yes:

“The posters here are not all responding to facts.”

J Swan, most of us have responded ONLY to what the seller had posted on her site. It isn’t like this wasa second or third-hand written article about her place. She wrote the information and published it in the WWW!

Having an opinion is ok. You may not like it, but the fact is, we were only responding to what the seller wrote. There is no need to “dig” for more facts; she laid it all out in her own words.

Since Liz Booth made that website for her business, she cannot sue anyone for their opinions about it…oh wait…maybe she can…a dumb woman sued McD’s for spilling hot coffee on herself:rolleyes:

If we cannot expres our opinions, then this country ceases to be free.

Dispatcher, to answer your question about the edit button.

It appears on every post you make, but only to you. That’s in case you want to edit something you’ve said, delete profanity, or even deep six the whole post.

I’ve used it numerous times, sometimes because I’ve misspelled something or used incorrect grammar, or even to take off a (blush) nasty word or two.

It’s a great feature. Everyone needs it at some time or other.

So, let me get this straight… you’re going to use your First Amendment rights to express your negative opinion about the Chronicle and tell everyone you know that it sucks, with the intention of trying to harm their business.

But no one here is entitled to merely express a negative opinion about a website. (I have yet to see anyone say they were going to tell everyone they know not to do business with Liz Booth, nor say that they hope she gets sued out of existence.)

Interesting.

BTW, Letters to the Editor are only published when they are in reference to content in the magazine, but you’re certainly free to write to COTH and express your displeasure. All of the contact information is available at chronofhorse.com. I’ll even be happy to give you directions if you want to go to the office yourself.

You’re welcome to tell everyone you know that we suck, too, since you’re entitled to whatever opinion you like. Too bad you can’t extend that same courtesy to anyone else.

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Yup, the real deal. 3 days straight, 24 hours a day. As a matter of fact, Talking Tina is up next at 7pm CST. (And makes far more sense than a lot of what I’ve read here!) :winkgrin:

Amen Erin!!!

I took a little drive today

And drove by their farm (I think). There was no name or number on the gate, which was open.
The front paddock by the road was small and eaten down and there were about a half dozen mares and their foals, eating a round bale. There was a big run in shed. The horses all looked healthy. The fence was white Centaur type with a few strands of electric and well maintained.

I would rather see foals in a big grass field but other than that there was nothing bad about the way they were kept. If I were to buy a foal I would want a fecal egg count(before I paid)

The paddock however was seriously abused.

A friend sent me a link to this thread because we were just discussing the poor white trash that we see in the horse world.

Now, I’M pissed!! Grrrr. I refuse to have the good WTD name dragged thru the mud by others (we do this quite well ourselves, thankyouverymuch)

And, for the record, and make no mistakes, I’M the founder of WTD. We do not alter Coggins nor insinuate our horses belong to a registry. In fact, we prefer that they do not belong to registry.

And I guess I had better call the pool I was at with my son this afternoon and let them know I have a communicable disease and really should not have left the house according to Dagan.

Erin, I always knew there was a reason you’re the chief cat herder! :smiley:

Way to go COTH! This little bb has single handedly “ruined this person’s business and reputation”!

What shall we do next? End world hunger? Solve the national debt? Maybe we should crack the DaVinci Code!

Come on, Dagan - how can you possibly believe that a bunch of fat, socially challenged hillbillies could have been the demise VSH? Did she tell you that the COTH forums ruined her? Did she tell you that she lost her business because of a forum discussion? Please. :rolleyes:

AP, you must be so proud. Congratulations on this amazing, hilarious, incredibly long thread! :winkgrin: