Orpheus, Jessica Ransehousen’s 1988 Olympic mount.
thank you stolensilver for your great post about all of the Trakehner stallions. It is a shame that they would be left off that list entirely, I cannot believe that that happened. :no:
People need to take into consideration that the Trakehner is STILL the most popular breed for dressage in Europe and that most of their favorite grand prix mounts of this time are full or part Trakehner!! If I got into all of the competing Grand prix horses that were of full or had some Trakehner blood the list would go on forever…
Trakehners are one of the most highly respected genetic components of any sport horse breeding program. But a lot of the stallions in that list EITHER are already in the list OR did not show at Olympic/ big CDI level.
Please–everyone should add to the info on the list, both breeding and biggest event stallion showed at (like saying Orpheus,(Persian Path x Apollo) Olympics 1988
I don’t think anyone was trying to exclude Trakehners, but the longer list duplicated several names already there, so guys like Biotop and Peron and Leonidas etc. were already on the list.
And the OP is looking for something pretty specific, CDI and Olympic level GP participation. Not great stallions who won young horse competitions or produced out the wazoo, but very specifically GP competition themselves. So I think several from the Trak list do need to go on, but a few don’t. And a few that were there from other breeds don’t need to stay on the list.
I believe Jennifer Schrader-Williams debuted Wistar at CDI GP this year.
Wistar - Hungarian by Wishes and Dreams (Weltmeyer)
Damon Hill
Just an aside…I looked up Damon Hill’s website to verify GP…and the “translation” listed this
award:
“Damon Hill NRW wins enema examination of the Nuremberg Castle Cup with 71.7% in the strongest competition.”
O my:eek:
I believe Winterprinz has competed at GP level, but I’m not sure about CDI. Taxateur competed at GP, probably CDI.
Mooiman (Flemmingh x Roemer)
Lorenzo (Ferro)
Kasjmir
Millenium
looking for back up to confirm these breeding stallions are CDI competitors
Hoping that you all can do the research and background checks on these remarkable horses that you are including in the posts. Where the horses are standing or where they bred before they died is helpful, their fatherlines or motherlines so further research can be done by others, at what CDI they were competing to earn this title will steer the list in the quickest right direction. Worker bees will categorize etc, (cut and paste ) but we need back-up. Hope you all will keep helping and detective this list. Thanks, Karin
Editing the Trakehner list
Here is an attempt to clarify some of the Trakehner entries. If only CDI and above is requested, then some drop off, other come into play. I have now left out those that “only” showed Grand Prix (and I still have to find a backyard GP in Germany where you would discredit a stallion’s performance just because it’s not a CDI. I’ll take a Heroldsberg GP winner over many CDIs any day of the week- just my two cents).
From the original list:
Acartenango
EH Biotop
EH Caprimond (showed CDI with Nicole Uphoff - showed backyard GP at age 8 with Dolf-Dietram Keller 
Enrico Caruso PsE*
EH Gribaldi
Herzberg Pg
EH Heuriger
Insterburg TSF
EH King Arthur TSF
Kostolany (did not show at Grand Prix level, so has to drop out)
Leonidas Pg
EH Monteverdi TSF
EH Münchausen TSF
EH Partout
Pepel
Peron Pg
EH Solero TSF
Unkenruf PgE*
Vincent
Windwalzer Pg
From the “deleted” Trakehner list:
Fabian (Donauwind E/Maharadscha)
Glanzlicht (Ordensglanz/ EH Consul)
EH Ravel (Mahagoni/Donauwind E) ---- not at CDI
Kronjuwel (Matador/Mazagran)
EH Van Deyk (Patricius xx/Ibikus)
Kaiserkult TSF and Kaiserdom TSF (EH Van Deyk/Gajus) - Kaiserdom TSF has not shown GP yet, but has shown at CDIs
Schwadroneur (EH Arogno/Ibikus)
Lions-Club (Ferrum/Matador) ---- not at CDI
Hailo PgE* (Anduc/Thor)
EH Charly Chaplin (Mackensen/Neuquen xx)
Perechlest (Hockey/Papirus)
And in addition:
EH Friedensfürst (Rondo/Gelria)
Kaiser Wilhelm (Schwadroneur/Mahagoni)
Kapriolan F (Exclusiv/Karon)
Payano (EH Herzruf/EH Arogno)
EH Showmaster (Kostolany/Ibikus)
Blue Hors Hertug (Schwadroneur/Donauwind E)
Boleem records from going through old USDF printouts (GP only):
1995 Southern Comfort CDI,1995 Snowbird’s Paradise (Olympic Qualifier),1996 Southern Comfort CDI,1996 Snowbird’s Paradise (Olympic Qualifier),1996 Royal Dressage Festival (Olympic Qualifier).
I already posted his breeding. Stands in Virginia, though semen is qualified for the EU, Australia and NZ.
Sorry, I can’t cut and paste this info…
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Hoping that you all can do the research and background checks on these remarkable horses that you are including in the posts. Where the horses are standing or where they bred before they died is helpful, their fatherlines or motherlines so further research can be done by others, at what CDI they were competing to earn this title will steer the list in the quickest right direction. Worker bees will categorize etc, (cut and paste ) but we need back-up. Hope you all will keep helping and detective this list. Thanks, Karin[/QUOTE]
HS Wistar - Hungarian Stallion by Wishes and Dreams (Weltmeyer) out of H. Marado
Standing at Summervale Farm, Roy, WA - http://www.summervalefarm.com/wistar_info.htm
GP - CDI Results:
The Dressage Affaire - Del Mar, CA, 2009
- 2nd Place Grand Prix - 62.979% (open test held in front of CDI panel of 5 judges)
- 2nd Place Grand Prix - 62.766% (open test held in front of CDI panel of 5 judges)
Golden State Dressage CDI- Sacramento, CA, 2009
- 5th Place CDI Grand Prix - 60.7%
great background checking/Need MORE help with this…
The last few posts is the detective work that is helpful to confirm some of the horses competition career that we have not heard of. I would like to get this list with the living/deceased designation - we can cut and paste the findings… all help is appreciated, so if you have time…and if you just tackle small sections it will go quickly. We could break the list into sections of 5-10 names. (we will need a master alphabetical list again ) That way we won’t duplicate. Anyone interested in helping could take a section.
Maybe this way we can can 'er done !! Thanks in advance ! Karin
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HS Wistar - Hungarian Stallion by Wishes and Dreams (Weltmeyer) out of H. Marado
Standing at Summervale Farm, Roy, WA - http://www.summervalefarm.com/wistar_info.htm
GP - CDI Results:
The Dressage Affaire - Del Mar, CA, 2009
- 2nd Place Grand Prix - 62.979% (open test held in front of CDI panel of 5 judges)
- 2nd Place Grand Prix - 62.766% (open test held in front of CDI panel of 5 judges)
Golden State Dressage CDI- Sacramento, CA, 2009
- 5th Place CDI Grand Prix - 60.7%
HS Wistar is alive, competing, and breeding
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More trakehner stallions who qualify for the list. :)[/QUOTE]
Ya gotta have some love for Falke when discussing Trak stallions. Dunno if he ever did a CDI, heck he was old fifteen years ago, but he did get to GP. His value seems to lie on the mareline side, he was the maternal grandsire of Kostolany.
I knew Falke pretty well - he was an ultra-sweet stallion and very personable. Very attractive and a wonderful mover. He is pretty much forgotten I guess - but he contributed greatly to Kostolany’s ability to transmit the ability to “sit.” MHO.
Very cool horse. I miss our Falke daughter, lost to a pasture accident, just about every day.
Thank you so much for your post about Falke. I have a 3 month old Kostolany daughter and it’s nice to hear about her family.
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Thank you so much for your post about Falke. I have a 3 month old Kostolany daughter and it’s nice to hear about her family.[/QUOTE]
Pictures please? I’d love to see her. You can pm me if you do not want to post publicly.
Sue
You have piles of choices if you’re looking to breed. It’s almost overwhelming. I’m a frozen semen importer and it makes even my head spin at the quality of horses available today. The breeding programs and the horses are getting better all the time.
Basically, if you are looking for an A grade stallion, you’re safe to work with Caprimond and sons, Weltmeyer and sons, Sandro Hit and sons, Rubinstein and sons, Donnerhall and sons, although Donnerhall sons are better if they are out of the Pik mare line.
Europe is crossing some interesting matches right now, using a Rubinstein daughter or granddaughter and matching with a stallion with Donnerhall and Sandro Hit, such as Sir Donnerhall. The results of this have been extraordinarily impressive as long as the Rubinstein daughter is very good to begin with.
Sir Donnerhall’s offspring have been ultra impressive. I’m watching one his son’s right now, just turned 5 this spring - Sarkozy - that boy has the moves. I watched him do a performance as a young 4-yo and it showed an undeveloped boy-horse whose movement was as pure and natural as they come - amazing lift, freedom through the shoulder, impressive forward motion of his hips. Wow! He impressed the crowd and he got a standing ovation. I can hardly wait to see how much he improves with development and training!
Briar has several offspring who are already competing at the FEI levels, his most impressive son is Okeanos who was under training also with Jan Brink, but I heard that Jan retired? (need that confirmed). Briar very consistently throws chrome, chrome, chrome and very tall. Briar has one of the highest breeding indexes in Europe that he has held consistently at the top for the most number of years.
My PSG mare has a Briar daughter and she is drop-dead gorgeous, currently 3 years of age.
Rainbow Equus’ new stallion, Rubignon, is also a Grand Prix elite stallion. He was on the Swedish Dressage Team until Edgar and Susan brought him home to CA.
Canada has an extremely impressive Rubinstein son, called Royal Senna, who throws amazing temperament, dark colour, and movement. Senna won his performance test and is out of an elite mare, Argentina, who was sired Airport (who was, in turn, sired by the most phenomenal, gold medal winning stallion, Argentan). His approved son, Royal T, is even more flamboyant and extravagant. He is 7 this year and already showing at Intermediare I. He adds Westminster and Figaro to the mix.
I have a Senna daughter who I am most in love with - she’s 2 and I can hardly wait to put a saddle on her, oh-la-la. I have a colt this year sired by Royal T out of my PSG mare who makes my tongue and spine tingle. I have him up for sale, but it would have to be a pretty penny to make me budge because he’s already showing the moves…
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You have piles of choices if you’re looking to breed. It’s almost overwhelming. I’m a frozen semen importer and it makes even my head spin at the quality of horses available today. The breeding programs and the horses are getting better all the time.
Basically, if you are looking for an A grade stallion, you’re safe to work with Caprimond and sons, Weltmeyer and sons, Sandro Hit and sons, Rubinstein and sons, Donnerhall and sons, although Donnerhall sons are better if they are out of the Pik mare line.
Europe is crossing some interesting matches right now, using a Rubinstein daughter or granddaughter and matching with a stallion with Donnerhall and Sandro Hit, such as Sir Donnerhall. The results of this have been extraordinarily impressive as long as the Rubinstein daughter is very good to begin with.
Sir Donnerhall’s offspring have been ultra impressive. I’m watching one his son’s right now, just turned 5 this spring - Sarkozy - that boy has the moves. I watched him do a performance as a young 4-yo and it showed an undeveloped boy-horse whose movement was as pure and natural as they come - amazing lift, freedom through the shoulder, impressive forward motion of his hips. Wow! He impressed the crowd and he got a standing ovation. I can hardly wait to see how much he improves with development and training!
Briar has several offspring who are already competing at the FEI levels, his most impressive son is Okeanos who was under training also with Jan Brink, but I heard that Jan retired? (need that confirmed). Briar very consistently throws chrome, chrome, chrome and very tall. Briar has one of the highest breeding indexes in Europe that he has held consistently at the top for the most number of years.
My PSG mare has a Briar daughter and she is drop-dead gorgeous, currently 3 years of age.
Rainbow Equus’ new stallion, Rubignon, is also a Grand Prix elite stallion. He was on the Swedish Dressage Team until Edgar and Susan brought him home to CA.
Canada has an extremely impressive Rubinstein son, called Royal Senna, who throws amazing temperament, dark colour, and movement. Senna won his performance test and is out of an elite mare, Argentina, who was sired Airport (who was, in turn, sired by the most phenomenal, gold medal winning stallion, Argentan). His approved son, Royal T, is even more flamboyant and extravagant. He is 7 this year and already showing at Intermediare I. He adds Westminster and Figaro to the mix.
I have a Senna daughter who I am most in love with - she’s 2 and I can hardly wait to put a saddle on her, oh-la-la. I have a colt this year sired by Royal T out of my PSG mare who makes my tongue and spine tingle. I have him up for sale, but it would have to be a pretty penny to make me budge because he’s already showing the moves…[/QUOTE]
Yes, but these are all the same overused tired bloodlines. This list we are making up here is great, because it is unearthing different bloodlines for everyone to consider. Personally, I won’t breed to a Sandro Hit or a Weltmeyer, or a Rubenstein anything, because the market is already flooded with those. Need to mix up the bloodlines more than that. Not everyone wants to ride the same horses as everyone else
Donnerschlag (Donnerhall)
