I have the same problem with my Ferrari as Anky has with Salinero.
But at the end i allways win
[QUOTE=LisaB;3458633]
So her decision to blow the halt in order to keep him happy for the other movements was probably heavily discussed and it was decided to blow those 2 scores. [/QUOTE]
It was the last movement of the test, so…what other movements were left? Woo-hooing to the crowd?! 
One of the top dressage riders in the world just “oops” forgot to halt and salute at the end of the freakin olympics?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
what a crock…at least she should be honest and say “I knew I won and I didn’t give a crap that my horse can’t perform the most basic of all dressage skills”
These are the individual scores for movements:
http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/EQ/C77D/EQX001100.shtml#EQX001101
and according to the pdf that I downloaded from the FEI, if that is the correct freestyle test, #16 is for the walk. She got 5, 6’s and 7’s on her nonexistent halts. Pretty generous, IMO, for something that wasn’t performed.
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One of the top dressage riders in the world just “oops” forgot to halt and salute at the end of the freakin olympics?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
what a crock…at least she should be honest and say “I knew I won and I didn’t give a crap that my horse can’t perform the most basic of all dressage skills”[/QUOTE]
I agree with the first half that to get the expression, instead of explosion…maybe she does’t choose to push the halt. Every rider makes compromises. I ride a horse that forgives a thousand tiny mistake over and over - I don’t think that’s the kind of horse Anky VG rides. And maybe this is just HIS weakness - every horse has one.
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These are the individual scores for movements:
http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/EQ/C77D/EQX001100.shtml#EQX001101
and according to the pdf that I downloaded from the FEI, if that is the correct freestyle test, #16 is for the walk. She got 5, 6’s and 7’s on her nonexistent halts. Pretty generous, IMO, for something that wasn’t performed.[/QUOTE]
No, #16 is for “The entrance and halts at the beginning and the end of the test”. They give one score for the entrance, the first halt and the last halt. AVG got 5,7,6,6,7 for #16. The Danish judge at E was the only one to ding her hard for the non-halt at the end, giving her a 5. The Japanese judge at H and the Dutch judge at B were the most generous, giving her 7s. They probably would have given her 9s if she had made any semblance of a halt at the end.
Geez, I just once again watched the NBC version of Anky’s ride. Perhaps it’s a different version from most of yours. While I did not see a salute at the end of the ride, the NBC version of Anky’s ride shows a decided halt. Not a gorgeous-wonderful-wowwy halt, but a definite halt. About a 6 halt. So I have to question how many of posters on here dissing Anky for not doing the most basic of dressage skills have actually watched the entire ride?
Candace
[QUOTE=DownYonder;3466660]
No, #16 is for “The entrance and halts at the beginning and the end of the test”. They give one score for the entrance, the first halt and the last halt. AVG got 5,7,6,6,7 for #16. The Danish judge at E was the only one to ding her hard for the non-halt at the end, giving her a 5. The Japanese judge at H and the Dutch judge at B were the most generous, giving her 7s. They probably would have given her 9s if she had made any semblance of a halt at the end.[/QUOTE]
Since you don’t know how this marks are assembled you can’t say what the scores of the judges were, untill you see the handwritten protocol of the judges. Do you ? Posted on the link given is the combined score of the entrance, halt at the beginning, and halt at the end.
So the 5 could be 7,8,0 or any other score which adds up to 15.
Look at the videos again and watch how much horses had a very bad halt. (like front legs on the centre-line and hind legs 1 meter from the centerline or vice versa).
But like we say in Holland : Hoge bomen vangen veel wind, en de druiven zijn zuur.
Theo
No, I don’t have the judges’ handwritten protocols. However, if the Danish judge HAD given her 7,8,0 for #16, then he did ding her hard for the non-halt at the end. I would have given it a 0 - the horse never stopped moving his feet, he was never immobile, and there was no salute. Movement not performed = 0.
Since both of her halts were barely performed, I think a combined score of 7 (from the Dutch judge) was a bit much… The other horses may have been crooked or not square, which would have been marked down, but at least they halted and performed the movement.
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Since you don’t know how this marks are assembled you can’t say what the scores of the judges were, untill you see the handwritten protocol of the judges. Do you ? Posted on the link given is the combined score of the entrance, halt at the beginning, and halt at the end.
So the 5 could be 7,8,0 or any other score which adds up to 15.
Look at the videos again and watch how much horses had a very bad halt. (like front legs on the centre-line and hind legs 1 meter from the centerline or vice versa).
But like we say in Holland : Hoge bomen vangen veel wind, en de druiven zijn zuur.
Theo[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DownYonder;3466692]
No, I don’t have the judges’ handwritten protocols. However, if the Danish judge HAD given her 7,8,0 for #16, then he did ding her hard for the non-halt at the end. I would have given it a 0 - the horse never stopped moving his feet, he was never immobile, and there was no salute. Movement not performed = 0.[/QUOTE]
Thats what I said , please READ
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Thats what I said , please READ[/QUOTE]
Theo, we are saying the same thing. Don’t get so wound up. 
And I agree that many of the other horses had poor halts. But at least they halted.
Maybee Anky & Salinero did’not want to salut the German judge, because he robbed Steffen Peters from an Olympic Medal
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An Olympic gymnist doesn’t win the gold when he fails to stick the dismount and falls on his face, regardless how many flips he perfectly executed 45 seconds earlier.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know that I would qualify a not completely immobile halt as falling flat on their face. Maybe more like a big step. And yes a Gymnast can win with a big step. Under the new system I am confused, but I will explain with the old system. A vault has a start value (now gets a separate difficulty score). The hardest vaults get a start value of 10. That vault will also be the hardest to stick the landing on (and not over/ under rotate, separate legs, forget to point toes, etc). So if the rest of the vault is perfect, a big step receives a .3 deduction. So a 10 becomes a 9.7… generally still medal contention. Now, if every other gymnast comes in and plays it safe to technical perfection, but lesser difficulty (say 9.5- 9.7 start values) the gymnast with the 10 start value now has the gold. Tah-dah.
So yeah, those perfect steps that come between the start and stop of the vault routine… they count for something. And remember that our perfect little American team won their medal after all 4 had big steps on the vault, 3 stepped out of bounds on floor, 2 big steps and 1 step out on landing from bars, and one fell from the beam. And we still got silver.
Now back to dressage, I’ve had rides with an 8+ halt and the rest of the test sucked… no ribbon. Had ride where I did not obsess about the halt… rest of the test was great… got great scores. Some horses you can force the halt issue, others it blows their entire groove. Beeeeewaaaaare the Groooooove.
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Maybee Anky & Salinero did’not want to salut the German judge, because he robbed Steffen Peters from an Olympic Medal ;)[/QUOTE]
Finally someone with good humor…!!
Yes, I think that would apply to many of them. Whether they will admit it to themselves, is another thing. I do think that you will find that riders that compete at FEI and own quality horses do appreciate Anky’s riding and would not criticize the absence of a halt.
If I disliked something as much as some of you dislike Anky’s riding, I would not bother to watch her ride. Why do you? Why do you spend time watching and re-watching her videos to pick out faults so that you can go to a bulletin board and ridicule?
I am in awe of Anky…her beauty, her riding, her smile…everything!
[QUOTE=ToN Farm;3466987]
Yes, I think that would apply to many of them. Whether they will admit it to themselves, is another thing. I do think that you will find that riders that compete at FEI and own quality horses do appreciate Anky’s riding and would not criticize the absence of a halt.
If I disliked something as much as some of you dislike Anky’s riding, I would not bother to watch her ride. Why do you? Why do you spend time watching and re-watching her videos to pick out faults so that you can go to a bulletin board and ridicule?
I am in awe of Anky…her beauty, her riding, her smile…everything![/QUOTE]
What I would like to know is why some people need to worship at an altar and can’t think critically for themselves.
What amazes me is why people have to EITHER WORSHIP OR HATE the topriders. Neither is productive, healthy, good sportsmanship, or will develop or improve anyone’s knowledge or ability.
This one is kind, that one is mean, this one is good, this one is bad, it’s all nonsense. Based on something you read in an article or saw on tv of the person for a split second of their life.
Everyone has good and bad points, everyone is a mixture of different things.
Come on, they are just people. They work hard, they practice, they qualify for the Olympics, they go there, they ride, it’s a horse show.
This kind of thing doesn’t educate people or give them a better eye. It represents the worst side of us, the side that worst of all, judges people’s intentions, but also their worth, morals, attitudes, ethics from a few random actions during a few seconds, without knowing anything about them. That is, without any doubt in my mind, the worst part of us, and the worst part of clique and crowd psychology, which emboldens people to attack others just like being in a pack affects dogs.
THe comments are all over the place, no one here can agree about what was good or bad, this one loved that pirouette, the other hated it…and nearly all the comments on the freestyle wind up to ‘I don’t like that type of music’ which is not the point of the freestyle.
And no matter how you talk about a top rider, negative or positive, it still doesn’t make you a part of some ‘in crowd’. Which is I think what all this is wishing for.
What I would like to know is why some people need to worship at an altar and can’t think critically for themselves.
And the people jumping on the bandwagon of hate are doing what, exactly?
Who said anything about a bandwagon of hate, except for Anky fans? How stupid.
