How long before any of A.P’s offspring are throwing offspring that will filter down into the (affordable) sporthorse market, and how long before we know if he can throw a sporthorse?
Ten years
Our current TB stallion, “Challenged” is out of an AP Indy mare, Money Madam. His oldest foals are now yearlings and showing fantastic potential. They are lovely to look at, lovely to watch move and play…and even “lovelier” to live with!!! Thumbs up. But remember…Grandpa is only one piece of the pie!!
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Our current TB stallion, “Challenged” is out of an AP Indy mare, Money Madam. His oldest foals are now yearlings and showing fantastic potential. They are lovely to look at, lovely to watch move and play…and even “lovelier” to live with!!! Thumbs up. But remember…Grandpa is only one piece of the pie!![/QUOTE]
I think OP means American Pharoah 
It depends on how he does in the shed… I’d say 5-10 years… 5 is optimistic, more likely 10…
Actually, because I could not remember how to spell Phaorah (the wrong way) I called him A.P. But the horse I was thinking of as an emerging sporthorse stallion is A.P. Indy and it has taken a while for them to trickle down to the sporthorse breeding. Should have thought of the confusing
terminology.
Agree with ten years or so, and even if he has the right stuff for a sporthorse.
I remember once I was asking the owner of a TB stallion if he could move and the reply was “I should think so, he won over a quarter of a million dollars.”
Of course I was thinking of another kind of movement. His offspring did not throw form over a fence though.
Well he does have freedom of shoulder/ big stride and great temperament going for him.beyond that: the most interesting thing I see in sport horse dom in his pedigree is Lord At War… An athletic horse that brings in some good out cross bloodlines.
There is a Jump Start (by A.P. Indy) in Palm Springs and this mare has super jumping potential, big stride plus the sweetest temperament.
How many highly successful race horses have sired top tier sport horses?
There are a lot of AP Indy grand kids in sport. I have a mare (Rockstina) by Rockslide. Lovely jump and mover. I didn’t think it was too uncommon now to find offspring in sport with AP Indy up close.
No, I’m sorry, I mean how many highly successful racehorses like an American Pharoah have produced highly successful sport horses ie ones who compete at the upper levels of sport horse disciplines?
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Depends on what they produce for the track. I do know that just as Secretariate was a good damsire for race horses…same for many sport horses. Typically though…the top race horse sires and filly off springs are too valuable to go into sport. Their stud fees alone are in the 6 figures.
I wasn’t aware Secretariat had produced any top sport horses? I know some of his daughters have produced some horses who were at least on the radar of sport, but not that he had produced anything that went on to success in Sport.
Agree that stud fees of tb stallions limit the possibility of people dabbling in them to produce purpose bred sport horses, but given the number who do fail at racing and trickle into the secondary market, you’d think we would have get of these big time racers being competitive in sport. Unless of course horses purpose bred for racing shouldn’t be expected to be highly successful in sports for which they were not bred.
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I wasn’t aware Secretariat had produced any top sport horses? I know some of his daughters have produced some horses who were at least on the radar of sport, but not that he had produced anything that went on to success in Sport.
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That’s what I said…I’ve seen him in the pedigrees of several top event horses thru his daughters. Just as most of his top race offspring have been thru daughters.
There are several young sons of Medaglia d’Oro making their way up the ranks as well. Very nice types.
That is why it takes a while to trickle down to the ranks of us sporthorse types.
These TB’s are just too valuable, but the grandchildren become available,
eventually. By then the ones producing sound, sensible, stylish sporthorses are getting notices for our purposes.
There is a phenomenon where some stallions make their name as broodmare sires. Roman (Holst.) is one, Secretariat also.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how American Pharoah pans out. He seems to have the temperament. How many Dynaformers are there in the sporthorse market? Grumpy man.
Here was a nice article done for EN on Rolex TBs last year. Shows some pretty common trends in breeding for good jumping and galloping horses. It at least has the pedigrees of several handy.
http://eventingnation.com/pedigree-analysis-of-rolex-thoroughbreds/
In 10 years, 2025, his fist crop will be 8.
I wish we could nip calling him “AP” in the bud. The racing world does it also. If he becomes have the sire that AP Indy is he will be lucky. And have beat the odds.
Ha - I explained above - I did not know the proper mis-spelling of his name
so just left it as AP.
Actually, I agree, A.P. Indy is too prominent. Just they way I named the thread. Meh.
That is an interesting EN article - so many of those names appear and re-appear in sporthorse pedigrees. Consistently, Buckpasser and Turn-to take my eye, amongst others.
Something about a beautiful, muscled TB with sporthorse talents, so special.
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Alydar for one. AP Indy and Pleasant Colony through grandsons.
I remember a son of Secretariat being a GP jumper, Quantum Leap with a BN rider some years ago and grandsire to the Champion steeplechaser Correggio. With Bold Ruler as a sire and out of a Princequillo mare, he should sire horses with some jump. His son, Class Secret, sired a number of 'chasers and sporthorses that jumped.
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