Don’t know about now for EMM…but he was in the '08 one I read.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20080709/NEWS/807090348
And this is some girl that has obviously fallen for his BS. And she was in '09 one?
I contacted the Mustang Heritage Foundation, including all of the photos of his “training methods”.
And also found he has been involved with equine assisted therapy programs, children and service members.
And who is defending this and where?
omg…the look in the horses eye 
Good job, Belle!
[QUOTE=Belle Beach;7763248]
I contacted the Mustang Heritage Foundation, including all of the photos of his “training methods”.
And also found he has been involved with equine assisted therapy programs, children and service members.
And who is defending this and where?[/QUOTE]
http://startingoverranch.webs.com/donatedhorses.htm
He does all the “training”…and pay particular attention to the one he “rehabbed” in only a few days…gee, wonder how?
Whole place sounds sketchy to me anyway, helping horses and homeless?
On whose dime?
[QUOTE=Belle Beach;7763244]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb7vOZ-5coI[/QUOTE]
I couldn’t get past the fact he has the rope wrapped around his hand.
I can’t believe the idiots people will pay to work with their horse
[QUOTE=Belle Beach;7763244]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb7vOZ-5coI[/QUOTE]
“This video has been removed by the user.”
On Washington or Oregon facebook group the owner of Starting Over Ranch stated she no longer wants to be associated with him. A long thread of drama.
I could not bear looking at the poor horse’s face.
The Facebook threads regarding this guy are not visible anymore but the one I posted is still visible to me on my timeline. I made screenshots of all the photos and the the narrative. I think the whistleblower (a 16 year old girl) got scared…and/or threatened. She certainly got the ball rolling…hopefully this idiot will be investigated at least.
[QUOTE=2Jakes;7763986]
The Facebook threads regarding this guy are not visible anymore but the one I posted is still visible to me on my timeline. I made screenshots of all the photos and the the narrative. I think the whistleblower (a 16 year old girl) got scared…and/or threatened. She certainly got the ball rolling…hopefully this idiot will be investigated at least.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, this guy is a violent bully when it comes to horses - I am sure he wouldn’t be very reasonable to a young girl who called him out.
Looks like someone must be watching this thread.
I saw this on FB today - I think Tom Olive could learn a thing or two from Ray hunt:
And…
“We don’t expect the child to write his name the first day or two in school. As soon as he learns to sit down in class and listen to the teacher, he is not immediately expected to write his name…but we expect immediate learning from a horse. We expect the horse to go from kindergarten to the eighth grade, to high school, to college without enough time, preparation, or consideration for his thoughts and feelings. We often don’t even get him into a learning frame-of-mind before we begin to train him. We don’t even have him relaxed and confident, where he can sit down in class and just listen. We skip all that preparation because we are so superior, or neglectful, or lazy. Because we haven’t prepared ourselves to recognize the horse’s feelings.” - Ray Hunt
I am so ticked off that Facebook has been bullied into removing these pictures. Not just the pictures, but the ENTIRE conversation from my FB page! 2Jakes, will you send me the pictures privately? I want to find a way to keep them alive.
ETA: It wasn’t just the person who took the pictures. It was Facebook. The girl removing them from her feed would not have eliminated the entire conversation from MY page!
Could somebody with a premium account post them as part of this thread?
Hum - stuff is def. taken down. I “googled” Tom Olive Horse and hit images, limited to the past week - pulled up these:
http://33.media.tumblr.com/f475a161a0c6ba61342290692cb91af4/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo1_1280.jpg
http://33.media.tumblr.com/603f81ec28dd596d84aee0ca53fa7950/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo3_1280.jpg
http://33.media.tumblr.com/1829b75c2bd4d2c82ab0ab5c65f92f8e/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo2_1280.jpg
http://33.media.tumblr.com/8566f915e04ac29d0fe6ed9c9c56b792/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo4_1280.jpg
http://33.media.tumblr.com/31f50ce790d621d2eee2ba813296892f/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo5_1280.jpg
http://33.media.tumblr.com/2d6f698212aededc55652067a2bbbd16/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo6_1280.jpg
http://33.media.tumblr.com/ec0c9516b58709788b523b51f5148b6b/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo8_1280.jpg
http://38.media.tumblr.com/5bc7cbfb6b48db77f51f99e96af00bcd/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo7_1280.jpg
http://38.media.tumblr.com/a484587832256e38bfc2debc96f6bb51/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo9_1280.jpg
http://38.media.tumblr.com/39a85d40f74e020fc728f7c769c4dc67/tumblr_nbyrgfqoji1tup3ulo10_1280.jpg
Might want to copy and save the photos.
And here is the original text:
ATTENTION-For all of you sending me hate mail.-
These are not my horses.
Their owner approved of what was happening.
People voiced their displeasure.
If I or anyone else had physically interfered we would have been kicked off the property.
My sister and I convinced other horse owners to load their horses back up and go home.
We documented the abuse and now proof of what happened is spreading like wildfire.
While you are judging me for “not doing anything” understand that if I had acted differently at least 3 more horses would have gone through the same treatment as Misty and Juno and no one would know that this ever happened because we would not have been able to document it.
Tom is some sort of great horse trainer from Ocala, he and his mustang Einstein are supposedly famous. Tom agreed to hold a clinic at my friend’s barn. On the first day, 9/13/14, Tom worked with a few horses. I’m mainly going to talk about Juno, a 4 year old curly mare who had only ever been ridden in her pen a few times in a halter. My friend asked Tom to get her dead broke by the time he left. Tom tied her to the side of the barn and proceeded to beat her with a golf club that he had turned into a carrot stick. She tried to run but would just get yanked back around by the rope. Then he saddled and bridled her, with a bit, and got on her while she was still tied to the barn. Eventually he untied her and rode her around the field. The only cues he gave her were to slam her sides with the spurs and yank the **** out of her mouth. Eventually she got tired of his abusive behavior, threw him, and attacked him. He then beat her around the face/head with the golf club for a good five minutes or so before getting back on. He worked her so hard she fell to her knees. He would give her a break every now and then, so he could work with other horses. The clinic started at 10am and that’s when he started with Juno. At around 5 or 6, a group of 10 riders, including Tom on Juno, got together to go for a ride up to the lake to have a campfire, it’s about a 60 minute ride each way. (I was not present for anything you just read. This is what multiple people told me) Since I didn’t get off of work until 7, I didn’t make it to the lake until 8. I then asked if anyone wanted me to ride their horse back for them. Tom, whom I had never met, agreed to let me ride Juno back because he was sore and didn’t want to ride anymore that night. When I saw Juno she was in bad shape. There was no life in her eyes, she refused to graze, drool was pouring out of her mouth, and she just looked like she had given up on life. I took off the bridle and she was very confused, she had no idea how to let go of the bit. I put my rope halter on her and mounted up, not long after that the rest of the group mounted their horses as well. When Juno’s owner saw that I had taken the bit off he got very upset and demanded that I put it back on but I convinced him that she didn’t need it. It took about 10 minutes, but life slowly started to creep back into her. We led the group, in the pitch black, back to the barn and by the end of the ride she was pretty much back to normal and was even trying to graze. I untacked her, rinsed her down, and put her up for the night.
The second day, 9/14/14, the farrier was out in the morning for Juno and another horse. He said that under no circumstances was she to be worked in anyway because a tendon in her leg was about to blow. Of course Tom and her owner were very upset by this because they had planned to do the same as they had done yesterday to her. So Tom went to work on an 18yr old AndalusianX mare named Misty instead. He said he was gonna teach her how to lie down. He tied a rope to her front left leg and tied the other end to the saddle horn. Then he cranked her leg to her stomach and pulled her head between her knees. She put up one heck of a fight. She nearly flipped over more than once. It took nearly a half hour to finally throw her. This continued for at least another hour if not more. Tom kept saying that he couldn’t stop because she needed to know that he was in charge and she wasn’t going to win. By the time he was done with her she could barely walk. Her leg was all tore up, and was barely usable. She was in a lot of pain; I’d be extremely surprised if she doesn’t have some major permanent damage. While he was ‘training’ Misty a lot of the spectators left because of how abusive it was, yet the whole time her owner was very happy and saying what a great job Tom was doing.
I stopped watching after an hour and went to talk with some other people who were still waiting for Tom to work with their horses. My sister and I ended up working with them instead and had no problems and then the owners, very wisely, loaded them back into their trailer and left. Tom and my friend were very disappointed that there were no more horses to ‘train’, so they took Juno out of her stall and worked with her instead of retiring for the day. Tom worked on getting her to climb onto a stone pedestal and then stuffed her in the corner of her stall and worked on moving her hindquarters. It didn’t take long for that hopeless expression to find its way back on her face…
I have the original pictures. Does anybody have an internet place to put them?
My only internet place is on Facebook, and Facebook will remove them because Tom Olive is so pure he can bear to have pictures of his own self yanking a horse around.
FB says “unavailable” now so I can’t see anything.
This man is a monster and he must be stopped :mad:
Anyone who would subject their horse to this type of abuse needs their head examined
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Anyone who would subject their horse to this type of abuse needs their head examined[/QUOTE]
A lot of the time the owners who use “trainers” (using that term loosely) like this guy is because they don’t know much about horses/riding/training and have spent enough time getting scared and/or frustrated by the horse that the horse has become an enemy. “Why can’t he just stop spooking!?” It’s the horse’s fault. Then they see some guy who will do all of these things that they are afraid to do and think “YES. This is what he needs!” and they’re so bitter with the horse that they take a little satisfaction in seeing the horse getting roughed up. “Serves him right.”
They either go this route, or pick up some “Natural Horseman’s” bible and drink that Kool Aid and spend the next 5 years poorly executing some groundwork exercises that don’t address the problem, and telling people that the horse is unrideable but they are training it. It’s their “heart horse” and they’ll work through this.
Usually what these people needs is either a different horse or a real trainer to work with.
shrug
[QUOTE=Belle Beach;7763244]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb7vOZ-5coI[/QUOTE]
REMOVED …along with The original post link. Did anyone time machine it?
