Advice please - toxic situation?

Asking for some advice - using an alter to keep from causing unnecessary waves.

I’ve been working with a trainer for the last several years, most of which have been spent boarding at their place. Everything has been great until this past year. It’s a small barn and really the only game in town. In the past couple of years, there are some boarders who have joined the program who have multiple horses and loads of free time. In the last year, it’s clear that they are favorites. They get opportunities to go school that the rest of us don’t. They get coaching not available to the rest of us. They will continue to hold discussions with trainer after their lessons are over, cutting into my time. They receive all the coaching and help at shows, even though we all pay the same coaching fees. I can understand this - they spend more, thus are more important for trainer to cater to.

During lessons, trainer will badmouth other people in the barn. So I’m sure the same is being done to me.

Last summer didn’t go very well, i lost a lot of confidence because of some issues while showing. I was told they were training issues, leading to my assessment that I wasn’t good enough. We haven’t been able to address what happened, so i am still feeling this way.

Now, my horse is injured. He was on stall rest last fall for a nasty abscess, and when he was finally allowed to go out for limited turnout, there were days he didn’t get to go out because one of the favorite’s horses was also rehabbing and that horse’s turnout had to happen after someone had come to ride. If that person didn’t come until afternoon, well, then too bad for my horse. My horse ended up injuring some soft tissue during those initial days back so now we’re on legit stall rest. I am at the barn every day to hand walk, groom and check in. However, there is now almost no communication with trainer. When I’m in the barn, trainer is generally busy with other clients so i do not want to interrupt as that is their time. When I email or text, sometimes they go unanswered completely. Often it takes several days for an answer. When a discussion has to happen regarding horse’s rehab and/or care, often i get an answer of “we can’t do that” when it’s been done for others.

I’m generally dreading going to the barn, usually relieved when I see trainer isn’t there. I don’t have any issues with any of the other clients. Recently trainer informed me that they don’t expect my horse will ever be sound again (could be, but there are a lot of things to still go through before we get to that point). The implication is that we aren’t worth trainer’s time at all any longer.

My difficulty is that there really isn’t any place else for me to go, certainly not while going through this rehab. Beyond that, there aren’t really any other trainers in this area, even in other disciplines. So I’m trying to figure out how to move forward in this situation. And I’m at the point of just not really wanting to even ride any longer as all my enjoyment has been sucked out by this situation.

How do I handle this situation?

Thanks!

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This a scenario that I have seen at every place I have ever boarded. Over 40 years I have moved several times, and each new place has been an improvement over the last, but with barn client turnover there is always someone stirring the pot, becoming the new trainer favorite, or attempting to alter the status quo.

There is no solution, short of buying your own place. It is the same way in workplaces, but without the additional responsibility of a 1,500 pound horse.

Are there absolutely no other boarding barns around you, or are you locked into the present one because of your chosen riding discipline? I left a “toxic” HJ barn for a spot in an eventing and fox hunting barn, and re-invented myself and my horse.

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Yeah, you need to go. Trainer is making it quite clear. I bet there are options if you look a little further afield. Trainer may have you feeling like she’s the only game in town, but I bet you she’s not. Are you part of any local FB groups in your area? If your horse needs rehab, a rehab boarding facility might be best in the short term anyway, or a nice boarding barn without training.

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When it gets like this you just have to leave. There’s no way to save the situation. Being honest about your concerns will not work and trying to be extra nice so they like you again won’t work. Feeling trapped makes them and you think you are trapped.

Move now even if it’s to a backyard pasture. You aren’t getting the training anyways, so who cares. Also guaranteed there are other options but you need to find them and you won’t as long as all your attention is taken up by the Drama Lama trainer.

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Great advice in the above posts.

Stop making excuses why you can’t leave and use all that energy to find a place to go.

You don’t need the trainer right now anyway, your horse is on stall rest and then rehab. So find a boarding barn full of people who will support you thru that process.

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Get out. Even a rehab barn while you look for long term solutions is better than staying. Even someone’s backyard barn with a round pen and shelter is better.

This is not a salvageable situation. More than that, a rehabbing horse isn’t making trainer $$$$ the way a sound, competing team is. A training barn will often make exceptions for horse #2 of a certain owner, or some other situation where there’s an end in sight/money to be made. This is not you, right now.

It sucks and I’m sorry, but I think many of us have also been there (as the ‘not priority’ client). Trying to “fix” the relationship rarely actually works, and tbh isn’t worth it. You’re paying a pro for a service that you aren’t receiving, simple as that.

Maybe text or call trainer (whatever is usual communication for her and clients) and say you’re thinking about moving Dobbin to a rehab barn because the demands on your time are just too great. Ask if she has any suggestions, and start posting on Facebook. This is assuming trainer probably wants your stall anyway, and isn’t going to retaliate (just make sure you keep going out there to work with Dobbin). You’d be surprised what’s out there, if you ask around. I’ve found most of my barns through word of mouth and facebook.

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It sounds like your trainer is prioritizing her highest-paying clients, period. There’s a clear pattern of giving people who are spending the most money and have the most disposable income and time to lesson and show the most attention and opportunities. Maybe she’s worried about her bottom line more as her costs have gone up, maybe she’s resentful (despite your past loyalty) because she feels she’s not getting enough money from you and behaving in an unprofessional, gossipy manner as a result…regardless, if the trainer wants you out, I agree it’s not going to get any more comfortable.

What would happen if you asked to have a conference with the trainer? (I’m going by your info that your other options are extremely limited, otherwise you’d have switched barns already while the horse is rehabbing.)

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This sounds like your trainer is pushing you to leave without explicitly firing you as a client. Am I correct in assuming that there are currently no unoccupied stalls at this barn? If so, they probably want you out so that they can bring in another horse that will pay for training.

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Said much more concisely than I did! Sounds like trainer feels that her business needs to prioritize higher-paying clients (perhaps she feels she’s moving up in the world, perhaps she’s cash-pinched with rising costs, or a bit of both, maybe new clients have referred one of their friends to the trainer and want the stall), and wants to move the OP out to bring in a new client in with deeper pockets.

It’s definitely something I’ve seen at many barns. Obviously, the most mature and professional thing would be to discuss this openly and tactfully with the OP, but some trainers don’t.

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The bad-mouthing alone would make me think it is time to leave. It happens ALL THE TIME, and I think has more to do with what is going on in your trainer’s life. But why deal with it.

Given your other barn options seem limited, while rehabbing, consider a “western” barn. Not to switch disciplines, but it might be interesting, might give you a different perspective on training ideas, might restore confidence.

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This is exactly my thoughts too. Trainer wants OP gone.

Time to make plans and leave on your own before trainer forces your hand. I’m sorry you are having to deal with this OP.

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It may also be a situation where the trainer is just overextended and doesn’t have time for you, but doesn’t want you to leave because what you’re paying her is covering some costs and you are low maintenance (how much have you let this trainer take advantage of you in the past?)

So, I would not necessarily tell her you are leaving or thinking about it until you’ve identified a few options.

I was in a similar situation once, but my horse was sound and I was broken. Trainer wouldn’t put training into my horse while I was recovering—she said she had no time (but still wanted training/lesson fees without providing any service). I left when it got weird and I was dreading showing up there, like you are now. Sometimes people just bite off more than they can chew.

Just look around for decent boarding as a temporary landing spot—in fact, you may want to ask your vet if he or she knows a good place for layup. My vet could probably give me a handful of options and be discrete about it.

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Agree with everyone else that you need out.

Will also say you might need a tighter relationship with your vet. It should not be the trainer saying the horse cannot be rehabbed. Did that come as news to you?

You should be getting this knowledge from the vet. If it means you take some time off work to be at the vet call, then do it.

Then you work as a team in getting your friend back on the right track.

Take control of your journey

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This. I know it’s ‘just how it’s done’ in some barns that the trainer is in charge of the horse 100%, but I would never take THIS trainer’s word for anything when it comes to your horse. Has the vet ever said anything to you about the horse never being sound again? It sounds like you’ve had that discussion, but how recently?

The fact that you’re paying full board, but your horse isn’t receiving adequate care (no turnout at times because of other boarder’s horse), is just not on. I’d be pitching a hissy fit over that. YOU are paying for something that YOU are not getting.

Start looking. Even pasture board with a run-in shed would probably be preferable to this. And a lot cheaper, too.

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OP here. Thanks everyone, you’ve all given me some good things to think about. I’m truly in a horse desert, there aren’t any rehab facilities anywhere around and I don’t want to have horse so far away I can’t check up. I’ve been at all the vet visits, trainer hasn’t. Vets haven’t said much yet as far as prognosis although never sound again is possible. We just have to get further along in this process to have a better idea.

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OK with that info the trainer sounds as if they would prefer the stall be taken by a boarder who generates more income.

Harsh to learn but common knowledge that board only horses are a bit of a deadweight. Most of us have been there

You probably don’t need a true rehab place but someplace your horse can live out and has an arena to use when the time comes. If your rehab is truly looking this long, it is going to likely be to the late 2023 before full work level.

You don’t need a specific discipline barn, just someplace who will provide care.

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Why not ask your vet if they know of a barn that would work well as a rehab place?

They might know of a private barn that only has a few boarders that would work out well.

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Since you are rehabbing and your horse may be ok eventually, you can always quietly stick it out. Boarders come and boarders go, usually in cliques. Now you know everyone better and should you find a different place you really like, you won’t be worrying about hurting anyone’s feelings when you leave. Volunteer at the warm up arenas at shows. You may find a trainer there you may really like and avoid some that probably will not work for you. Meanwhile, just do your thing at the barn where you are and try not to let it interfere with enjoying your horse.

I hope your horse gets better and the two of you reach your goals.

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This is how I found a few good hoarding spots when I was new in town, by going to a few shows and seeing who seemed to be someone I’d like to work with (well cared for horses, good performance by riders, no drama or tears, etc).

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Can you check craiglist for your area for boarding? Use a good search word or phrase like “boarding” or “horse board”? Or put ISO (In Search Of). There are many ways someone might respond—you can use your phone number, your e-mail, or a craigslist e-mail.

Like others, you don’t need a barn with amenities right now. A simple small barn with turn-out and shelter might do. (Where I am, during spring and summer, the horses are out 24/7 unless there’s a rainstorm with lightning.)

I know some areas have Facebook pages for local animal-related things. (Around here, we have an active dogs-need-home local Facebook page.)

I don’t know if I would say anything to your trainer UNTIL you have an option or two. Too many stories here about getting thrown out the INSTANT it is mentioned. When/if you DO leave, you could just say, “Since horsey may have a limited riding future, I have decided to retire horsey somewhere else.” I might not mention the barn/facility/owner’s name, in case the trainer decides to cause problems. (I decided to move a horse when it became obvious that she was underfeeding the boarders. She still tried to find out where my horse was going, that she wanted to ‘check up’ on him in his new place.)

Good luck, and I hope that your horse does better than expected.

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