Aggressive puppy...any suggestions? Update #45 & #162

[Daisyrae]

People dont need to jump all over the OP. There’s a difference between saying “I’ve been there, this is what I did and I think its probably in your best interest/this is what helped me” and saying “Youre an idiot I can’t believe you would rehome that dog/keep it alive/etc.” OP is trying to protect their dog, and their family, and create the best of both worlds for everyone. Will it work? From what I’ve experienced, no. But there are many instances that I’ve run into that it has.

Telling them they shouldn’t own a difficult breed or have a dog with kids or that the dog is going to go kill someone isn’t helping.

[4THEHORSES]

[QUOTE=scierra;8569726]
I’m surprised your breeder isn’t insisting the dog be returned to her since you are not keeping him. Most, if not all, the COE breeders I know have it in their puppy contracts that if the dog is to be rehomed it returns to them. The breeders I know, and respect, do not want a dog of their breeding to be passed on. Plus they most certainly don’t want a dog of theirs with a questionable temperamemet out in the public.[/QUOTE]

Any breeder who insisted the I return MY dog would be told to EFF off. They sold the puppy, they truly have no idea if this is a training issue, temperament issue, or both since they more the likely haven’t seen first hand how this family have raised and trained their puppy.

I still maintain this could very well just be a dog with a big personality, in need of a lot more time and consistent training that it has perhaps received.

[CrazyGuineaPigLady]

[QUOTE=4THEHORSES;8570344]
Any breeder who insisted the I return MY dog would be told to EFF off. [/QUOTE]

A good breeder will have you sign a contract to return the dog if it doesn’t work out for whatever reason. That is what separates them from the back yard type and ensures their dogs won’t end up at a shelter. There might be a gray area in between, but they should still have a say in what happens to their puppies.

[jherold]

4THEHORSES, then you wouldn’t have gotten a puppy from my breeder. She wouldn’t insist on return if she agreed with where you wanted to rehome the pup, but she wanted to be involved in the decision. She once found out that a sheltie she had bred 10 yrs ago was confisgated from a horder situation. She visited that dog every day at animal control until waiting period was over and they allowed her to adopt it. He ended his days in the house he was born.

[pezk]

[QUOTE=Sswor;8569606]
Unless you live on your own private island, the world doesn’t need dogs like that. They should be culled. Those ~40 people killed by dogs a year might not be dead if everyone did the right thing and culled these kinds of dogs. Your second chance could be some poor vet, vet tech, groomer, family member, mailman, neighbor, or perfect stranger that gets bit. Dogs bites are serious. It’s not, oh oops.[/QUOTE]
So, we are Back to the pit bull thread and the Schuzhund thread and how many other threads?
Its too bad you don’t bother to learn something about dogs, dog aggression, and training, real training. Your ignorance and prejudice shows in every thread.

[pezk]

[QUOTE=Simkie;8569281]
AND SO CUTE OMG.

Not 16 weeks yet, but adorable and we need some cute on this thread[/QUOTE]

Thx for the link. What a cutie. And to think what that friendly little kitty grows up to be. I guess you shouldn’t judge a kitty by its age.
I would like to know the training techniques that are used to train the Tigers for the Las Vegas show. It would be interesting.

[arapaloosa_lady]

You have a young puppy who has already bitten multiple people. I would treat this as a VERY serious issue and not just pass the puppy to a loving family member. Your SIL’s heart is in the right place, but she needs to be committed to a serious program of management and training to keep people safe around this dog.

Personally, I would pay for her to have an initial consult with a veterinary behaviorist to get her started in the right direction - trainers are an important component of this process (and the people she will be working with on a more frequent basis) but this problem needs a specialized vet too. http://www.dacvb.org/resources/for-the-public/

And remember, your dog only lives in the moment. Don’t be afraid of discussing euthanasia with your veterinarian. You don’t want to wait until your dog makes a bloody mess of someone.

[Big_Tag]

[QUOTE=4THEHORSES;8570344]
Any breeder who insisted the I return MY dog would be told to EFF off. They sold the puppy, they truly have no idea if this is a training issue, temperament issue, or both since they more the likely haven’t seen first hand how this family have raised and trained their puppy.

I still maintain this could very well just be a dog with a big personality, in need of a lot more time and consistent training that it has perhaps received.[/QUOTE]

Well…maybe when he bites someone in SIL’s care, you can take him, and report back what a good canine citizen he is after you have him awhile?

ETA: To OP, smart to get him out of your house. As a 3rd party observer, I probably would send him back to the breeder, even if it meant euth, but I understand that he’s been in your care and your pet for a while, and it’s hard to just give up on a family member. I’m sorry for your situation and hope you get a great pup next time around…sounds like this breeder hasn’t steered you wrong before :yes:

[4THEHORSES]

[QUOTE=Big_Tag;8571163]
Well…maybe when he bites someone in SIL’s care, you can take him, and report back what a good canine citizen he is after you have him awhile?

ETA: To OP, smart to get him out of your house. As a 3rd party observer, I probably would send him back to the breeder, even if it meant euth, but I understand that he’s been in your care and your pet for a while, and it’s hard to just give up on a family member. I’m sorry for your situation and hope you get a great pup next time around…sounds like this breeder hasn’t steered you wrong before :yes:[/QUOTE]

All the SIL has to do is muzzle the dog around other people, at least until they know the issue has been addressed.

My GSD is a real solid citizen but I muzzle every time we have company at the house and every time we take her out.

[lorilu]

I have owned shar peis on and off since the 80’s. Some of the boys were great protective dogs; the girls were overall very sweet.

I would NEVER have given this dog to anyone, even (especially!!) a family member. Aggression runs in the breed - remember, they were bred as fighting dogs originally in China. Here is my story:
About 7 years ago I bought an 8 wk old puppy from a local breeder. She was raised in an enriched environment. I spent a great deal of time with her.
She NEVER was submissive to me as leader. I could take her dinner, but if she stole a chicken carcass from the trash she would have bitten me if I tried to take it. I tried every training trick I could find to stop this. She was the same way if she cornered an armadillo in the back forested area I have. I would loop a line around her back leg and pull her away - using a stick.
She was otherwise friendly to people, but very dog aggressive whenever I brought her anywhere.

I wonder why I did not put her down. I guess because the aggressive behavior was predictable in particular circumstances.

Surprisingly, when I brought a rescue puppy home, she was fine with her. Perhaps the dog aggression was really protecting me while on leash?

She died suddenly a few months ago. While I miss her, Bubbles is SO much easier, can go anywhere, loves everyone…

Your dog is a dangerous dog… I would put her down.

Hugs to you.

[Sswor]

[QUOTE=pezk;8570972]
So, we are Back to the pit bull thread and the Schuzhund thread and how many other threads?
Its too bad you don’t bother to learn something about dogs, dog aggression, and training, real training. Your ignorance and prejudice shows in every thread.[/QUOTE]

So does yours. I’m not sure why you insist on making things personal with me. Perhaps put me on ignore, pezk?

[spotted_draft_x_fill]

[QUOTE=4THEHORSES;8571189]
All the SIL has to do is muzzle the dog around other people, at least until they know the issue has been addressed.

My GSD is a real solid citizen but I muzzle every time we have company at the house and every time we take her out.[/QUOTE]

All you have to do is muzzle…HAAA!

There are times when the dog isn’t muzzled and sometimes unexpected guests come over or the dog sneaks out the door, then what are you going to do? That’s how my youngest daughter got bit. The aggressive dog was in a kennel, was lead in and out with a muzzle, but the little boy opened up the kennel allowing the aggressive dog to get out and he bit my daughter.

Also when my oldest daughter was bit, that dog had a bite history. Her attack was totally unprovoked. That dog jumped the fence, ran down the street and grabbed her leg. He was euthanized after that.

I had euthanized a basset hound that started showing aggression towards people and despite our efforts to keep him secured, he got out and mauled our neighbors kitten. It’s so not worth it.

Besides what kind of life can these animals have if they’re always miserable, locked up and muzzled?

[4THEHORSES]

[QUOTE=spotted draft x filly;8571562]
All you have to do is muzzle…HAAA!

There are times when the dog isn’t muzzled and sometimes unexpected guests come over or the dog sneaks out the door, then what are you going to do? That’s how my youngest daughter got bit. The aggressive dog was in a kennel, was lead in and out with a muzzle, but the little boy opened up the kennel allowing the aggressive dog to get out and he bit my daughter.

Also when my oldest daughter was bit, that dog had a bite history. Her attack was totally unprovoked. That dog jumped the fence, ran down the street and grabbed her leg. He was euthanized after that.

I had euthanized a basset hound that started showing aggression towards people and despite our efforts to keep him secured, he got out and mauled our neighbors kitten. It’s so not worth it.

Besides what kind of life can these animals have if they’re always miserable, locked up and muzzled?[/QUOTE]

I don’t think you guys are understanding what I’m trying to say. What I’m getting at is muzzle the dog until they can establish the cause tonbenproblem and correct it. With the right trainer that may not take as long as some people perceive.

As to my GSD, she gets excited when I bring her muzzle out because she knows it means we’re having company or going somewhere fun. She certainly doesn’t live a crappy life. She has more space to run and play at home than the vast majority of other dog and she get regular trips tongue beach, desert, parks and so on. I’m certain she has a darn good life.

As to the people who left the aggressive dog in a kennel while the kids played, that was stupid.

[red_mares]

[QUOTE=4THEHORSES;8571683]

As to the people who left the aggressive dog in a kennel while the kids played, that was stupid.[/QUOTE]

We might agree here. It was stupid to have an aggressive dog in a kennel while kids played nearby. The owners should have skipped the kennel and had it put down. Unfortunately, some people think more of their dog than they do of their kids.

[pezk]

[QUOTE=4THEHORSES;8571683]
I don’t think you guys are understanding what I’m trying to say. What I’m getting at is muzzle the dog until they can establish the cause tonbenproblem and correct it. With the right trainer that may not take as long as some people perceive.

As to my GSD, she gets excited when I bring her muzzle out because she knows it means we’re having company or going somewhere fun. She certainly doesn’t live a crappy life. She has more space to run and play at home than the vast majority of other dog and she get regular trips tongue beach, desert, parks and so on. I’m certain she has a darn good life.

As to the people who left the aggressive dog in a kennel while the kids played, that was stupid.[/QUOTE]
They aren’t understanding and they don’t want to.

[4THEHORSES]

[QUOTE=pezk;8572185]
They aren’t understanding and they don’t want to.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I agree

[Sswor]

We understand. We–correct me if I am wrong–are saying, in our opinions, it is not worth it. Too many nice dogs out there that need homes to bother with one you may or may not ever be able to trust around your kid/strangers.

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=pezk;8570978]
Thx for the link. What a cutie. And to think what that friendly little kitty grows up to be. I guess you shouldn’t judge a kitty by its age.
I would like to know the training techniques that are used to train the Tigers for the Las Vegas show. It would be interesting.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think you would like the methods

[pezk]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8572681]
I don’t think you would like the methods :([/QUOTE]

I still,would like to know the methods…do you know how the white tigers are trained?

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=pezk;8572806]
I still,would like to know the methods…do you know how the white tigers are trained?[/QUOTE]

In general training big cats includes all kinds of awful things like declawing them, removing their teeth, drugging them, withholding food and using that to train, physical punishment— nothing anyone would ever condone for dog training.