AITA? Friendship within the horse world and where to set boundaries as a barn owner

Thank you guys for the clarification!

Neither, but it does seem like you’re making a bigger deal out of this than is really necessary. So far you’ve said yes to everything she’s asked and haven’t told her there are any issues. She probably assumes you don’t mind since it sounds like you’ve been pretty generous offering things up in the past. From what you’ve described a lot of the things that you’re frustrated with now were your ideas - letting her ride a show horse for free to bring it back in work, cutting a discount on the sale for a good home, offering free training advice, etc. If she’s taking care of your stuff and is otherwise respectful and pleasant to be around I’d start by assuming good intentions and try to gently reset the boundaries to where you want them, understanding a lot of the boundary creep was yours in the first place. Start with a friendly conversation and ask her if she can buy some of her own gear so you can have full use of yours back. If she pushes back or gets upset then you’ll have your answer.

As for the brand sponsorship
 I can see why you’d be annoyed but I don’t think it’s realistic to expect a barn friend/client to turn down an offer of free stuff out of loyalty to you. If it’s important to you to have everyone in your barn repping your company you could always offer some type of sponsorship yourself and see what she says.

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I have unfortunately tried to gently ask her to find her own tack, as the saddle she’s using is one of my personal show saddles. And I need it for my own mare once shows start.
She always assures me that she’s definitely going to get her own, and then nothing seems to happen. I understand saddles are expensive , especially nicer quality ones, and getting fit right can be hard, but I’m finding it hard to believe she hasn’t found even a bridle that would work. I’ve done my best to find ones that would work and send them her way(ads, reputable stores etc)
I fully accept offering my mare up for lease/shows was on me, and I’m absolutely okay with that. But when she bought this young one she was the one that negotiated, and made it quite clear what her budget was. Training advice was also always after she asked for help, I try not to push my help if it’s not asked.

I think I’m making a bigger deal of the sponsorship than it is, it might just be the straw that broke the camels back?
Although I did offer a small sponsorship to all of the girls this year, her included😅

You’ve got to give her a date where you absolutely need your stuff back. You’ve been very kind, but have said yes at every ask. She may very seriously just not know she’s stepping all over your kindness, because you’ve never drawn a boundary that’s firm in any way.

I totally understand why you feel taken so advantage of, especially with the sponsorship deal, but this is something you’ve allowed (which I know you know!)

You know how you open a gate into a field of horses, rather than out, so you don’t give them an opening to make an exit? Start opening the gate in your relationship with her inward, too.

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“Hey Susie, I need you to get your own saddle and gear by XX so I can have full use of mine for show season. Thanks!”

If she doesn’t have a saddle by the date you set then just repeat “sorry but I need to use my stuff” until she gets it. I might take the tack home “for cleaning” on the date you set just to make the point.

I’d let the rest of it go. Being direct about her budget and asking a friend/mentor for advice aren’t out of bounds, and you didn’t have to agree. If she asks for more advice you don’t want to give just say you don’t have time in the moment but could schedule a lesson if she wants to work through the issue then. She may be hurt that you’re switching things up after giving so freely in the past, that’s not necessarily an unfair reaction from her but just be prepared for your relationship to change.

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Firstly, no way do I think you’re the a-hole, or a pushover.

Re: her adopting your saddle.
Why can you not just explain - as you said above - you’ll need that saddle once shows start?
Do you have another saddle you won’t need that will fit her mare?
If so, just explain you’ll need your saddle back & this is the alternative until she buys her own.
Full Stop.

I think you were very kind to discount the horse & help with training gratis.
But as a friend, neither unknown or unusual.
Going forward you might set a boundary & say further training will be billable.
Not from spite, but because you need to concentrate on your own lesson program & your show horses.

If she’s aware of the show shirts you provide to your team, I find it rather tone deaf of her to go with another brand.
Is there a difference from yours in the other?
More bling?
Less?
Colors?

Of course, the above issues could affect your friendship.
Life is like that.
But no way AYTA.

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Offer to go with her, and set up a time for the two of you to go tack shopping together, assuming you have a couple of these dinosaur stores nearby. She may just need some advice and positive reinforcement on purchases. Going tack shopping alone can be a really stressful thing for a novice.

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With this plan, I foresee the person will just adopt the alternative saddle and keep it forever. If it’s worked so far for her to get a free saddle to use indefinitely, why would she change her approach now?

I agree with the idea of saying something like, “I will need all my tack back for my own use by X date so I can get it cleaned/repaired/whatever as we get close to show season.”

I can see how the shirt thing would be annoying under the circumstances, especially when the OP has already given this person so many breaks. But that does sound like relatively small potatoes compared to the other things.

Sorry that this person has taken advantage of the situation a bit.

And welcome to the BB! :slight_smile:

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I have actually mentioned this a couple times now unfortunately. Ironically she wants to show with me and she knows I use this saddle still so I figured it would be common sense, but I did actually bring it up in case she hadn’t realized it for some reason. I might try again now that we’re closer to the first show date and see if it clicks

And I do have other saddles that would likely work, one for sure. But when I offered for her to try one she didn’t want to use it ‘in case it set her training back if it didn’t fit’. Which again I get, but I feel like most horse owners understand that’s just part of the process? And even if she did use it instead I slightly fear it would just be used forever

You’re probably right about the saddle.
But OP gets back the saddle she needs.
Where it goes from there đŸ€·

ETA:
We posted at the sane time.
Bottom Line:
It’s YOUR saddle.
Take it back.
Is there a reason you cannot physically just do this?

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I think it would be rather hard to do without understanding on her part. It’s my barn, so all of my tack including the stuff she’s using, is kept in the tack room. Considering she boards here and comes at her own leisure I can imagine enforcing that? Unless I was to keep it in the house I suppose, but that seems really drastic for something that really should just be a conversation
I guess that’s an option though

And no, no real difference in shirts for what it’s worth, similar colours and quality, mine have less obvious branding. It was probably just a personal preference thing, but it grated a little after everything else

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IIWM, I’d tell her I’m taking the saddle back & why. There’s the conversation.
Then do take it to your house where it won’t be available to her. You can get it ready for show season there.
Would that inconvenience you?

The shirt problem is just ignorance on her part.
Again, IIWM, I’d ask her why she chose one free shirt over another.
Maybe the other stroked her ego by suggesting she was suitable to rep the brand.

Good Luck negotiating these muddy waters :smirk:

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I don’t recall the exact details off the top of my head, but there was another thread on here not too long ago about a client who was doing something or other that was unacceptable to the barn owner/trainer.

And I’ll say the same thing now that I said on that thread.

After many, many, many years around horses, I don’t remember a single time when a barn owner/trainer looked back on a situation in hindsight and said, “Gee, I wish I had put up with that bad behavior longer than I did.”

Quite the opposite.

Good luck!

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Having your OWN tack room as the owner of the property makes keeping boarders–ANY boarders–out of your shit a whole lot easier.

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I’d lock up my stuff and give her notice to get her own things, you are getting everything ready for show season.

Be firm and hold your ground.

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Send her a link to the saddle for sale if you see one. And say straight up, “hey my stuff is really not communal, you need to buy your own.” Many English barns charge a supplies fee and everything is communal, so she might be used to that model. You can be straight that isn’t how your barn works.

I would tell her you’re looking forward to getting all of your gear back back April 1st. That she hasn’t bought her TACK FOR HER HORSE is 100% not your problem. Just tell her that’s when you expect her to stop using it. It’s OK if that wrinkles her socks. She can get some nice new or used socks and then all will be calm again.

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Yes, she is going to make it horrible for you when you re-establish your limits. When you try to put her on her own feet. Your sense of that coming awfulness is why you are hesitating.

She’s a grifter blowing past your boundaries because you are letting her.

Grifters are often charming, fun-to-be-with people. That’s how they make it work. They count on people hesitating to set limits, due having sensed that the grifter will act out and alienate them as punishment.

I once was given some very serious dating advice. I think it applies to this situation.

  • If you think that drawing boundaries will cause an outburst, that resetting limits will result in the other party reducing or dumping the relationship – do it. And see what happens.

This friendship is not worth having if it is based on you underwriting most of what this gal is doing on a horse. If she’s going to have a tantrum, and/or dumps you the minute you even lessen your support – if you are even worried that this might happen – you are being played, mightily.

You are managing this relationship as if she were your own child. Why are you doing this? Is it worth it to you to provide all of this to her so that she can be your horse and showing companion?

Give this some thought. And consider if you prefer an adult friendship, in which both adults have their own healthy boundaries, and you both respect that.

Yes there is an a$$O in this friendship, and it isn’t you. You sound like a kind person who is a great friend to those who are truly, respectfully, closest to you. This lady is not respectful of you.

“try” ??? “might” ??? “see if it clicks” ???

If she allows you to have your saddle back, you mean? Since she never got her own.

Yoda said it best: “Do not try. Do.” (Star Wars movie #2)

If you want to underwrite her horse adventure, if you are fine with allowing her to be your grown child 
 just buy yourself your own new saddle so that you will have something to show in. :woozy_face:

You can move on from this, you can live without her, when it comes to that. Sooner or later she will dump you for some illogical reason. Rather, she will better-deal you with a new more generous friend. Your former horse that she now owns is likely to be fine. People like your former horse’s current owner have a way of landing on their feet in another good spot. Having found another generous person to provide all the things.

You seem like a warm, kind and open-hearted person. I hope this turns out for the best for you. Good luck! :slightly_smiling_face:

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This. Better yet, take your tack back right now, lock it up.

If she wants to ride she’ll have to get her own. She’s got plenty of time before showing season.

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Out of curiosity how old (ish) are you and said boarder?

The shirt thing is a little silly to be upset over IMO. Removing the other complaints from consideration, I’d attribute no ill will to her wanting to be sponsored by someone. Anyone. A lot of (younger, typically) riders think they’ve hit the Big Time if they’ve landed a sponsorship (no matter how small or similar to other offerings it may be). She may not have realized you would be willing to offer her the same deal (are you?).

As to cutting her a deal on the sale of the horse - that is not something you can hold against her. She made an offer, you accepted. It leaves a bad taste to be upset with the buying party when you agreed to their offer. No one forced you to accept that offer. Did you do it because of the existing relationship? Sure! But that doesn’t mean she’s exploiting you in the sales deal.

For the training rides, again I don’t think you can hold it against her if you set the precedent of doing them for free. You can (and should!) establish the boundary there that training rides or lessons will be billed moving forward but to hold that against a client when it appears to be your choice (vs her asking for a deal) is not right.

The saddle thing. Yeah that’s a real PITA. I second the having a separate tack room thing. And the giving a set deadline thing. Do you have any spare pieces (bridles pads whatever) that you could sell to her? Not really the ideal situation but may work as an immediate “use this not that”.

I think it could do you and boarder some good to set a time to sit down and chat. Maybe make a plan for her and mares goals for the year which involves X lessons per week/ month, Y training rides to keep her tuned up, and Z tack to be in compliance with the governing org/ have everything she needs to travel to shows.

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