Akhal Teke for Endurance?

[QUOTE=nate5;5756310]
She is so beautiful!

Out of curiosity what made you want an at x tb cross?[/QUOTE]

Thank you. :slight_smile:

I wanted a smallish horse out of my TB mare for myself to ride. That’s me in those photos – I’m 5’7" but very small-boned and lightweight.

I was leery of breeding to a Connemara as my mare is very short-coupled and a difficult ride. I saw the Chronicle stallion ad for Super Star and was quite taken with him so I contacted his owner. They looked like a good match to me.

I wanted something versatile, as I was doing the odd LTD at the time and also like to foxhunt. And Zizi is versatile. She also excels at working cattle.

JER Zizi looks like FUN! That narrow body must be a comfy ride and it sure will radiate heat better than a wide build when she gets to enduro. What a great all-arounder you’re making.

Warning: I talk too much…

Don’t give up the dream! lol

I do agree, there does seem to be a few breeders who focus too much on type, and seem to be overdoing it! Some Teke’s remind me of the super dished Arabs bred for Halter, and not good for anything else. (Not saying all Halter Arabs are bad - H Tobago is freaking awesome and not too typey) These Teke breeders don’t put out anything I would use for endurance - they are breeding for type at the expense of good conformation.

But there are some great looking Teke studs out there in US and Canada of the type you want.

I own a 3yo Teke x Arab gelding. By Murgab (Alberta, Canada), out of a nice Arab mare. Pictures, pictures… Hmmm… K, Red from 3 months to 2 1/2 years and 3+ years The dunskin is a Gotland pony x Spanish mustang. He has a super calm level temperament, SMOOTH movement from his sire and is only 15h so far.

There are a few stallions being used in Endurance. Some I drool over. I almost wish I had done more research into Teke studs and picked one of their offspring. But no, happy with Red, we click. Some of the studs I like are in the Stallion directory. http://www.teke.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2010sdirhr.pdf This directory is cool. Has a bunch of North American Tekes, with their stats, picture, performance history and performance history of offspring (if available). There are directories for previous years too.

Some of the endurance Tekes are already mentioned, but there is also Jas Shearer-McMahon (sp?) with Magic Valley Tekes, her stallion MV Patrickhan (by Astrachan). Both studs have done about 400 AERC miles with her. Dazyrdi (of AT Bolsin (in Alberta??) has done a few LDs.

There was another Teke stud that produced great endurance horse. Cannot remember his name. I think he is recently deceased?? A few months back there were a bunch of his offspring for sale (including some crosses) that looked A-MAZE-ING! Great prices too. Anyone?

[QUOTE=TalkTeke;5758150]

There was another Teke stud that produced great endurance horse. Cannot remember his name. I think he is recently deceased?? A few months back there were a bunch of his offspring for sale (including some crosses) that looked A-MAZE-ING! Great prices too. Anyone?[/QUOTE]

Kinor maybe?

Yeah, think it was Kinor. E-chatted with a few owners of his offspring. Very happy with them.

Bred by a person here: Kyzteke?? Thanks for prompting my memory.

I just sold Kinor’s last Arab X – a buckskin gelding o/o my best Arab mare (also dam of Inde). He is 5 yrs old and went to a former regional champion endurance rider, so hopefully we’ll see him competing next year. Here’s a pic:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2662507600104425996feBkSN

Kerry Redente (AERC '09 National High Mileage Champion) has a lovely dark palomino filly named Kahlua Gold for sale that was sired by Kinor and is o/o a very nice Arab mare. The full sibling to this filly sold at 30 days of age to endurance rider Mel Hare and we should be seeing that colt competing next year (he’s only 3, I think right now).

Shannon Mayfield has 4 Kinor foals o/o various non-Teke mares. The oldest, Octopelle is o/o a Paint mare. He had a pretty successful year in '10 doing LD’s, but I haven’t heard anything from him this year.

And I just “re-homed” the first horse I ever bred: a TB/Teke mare sired by Pieter. That mare is SO laid back she successfully carted her very ammie/green owner all over the mtns. of Idaho for years, till the owner’s health forced her to give the horse up. The mare (“Hero”) is now on a permanent lease to a local lesson program, where she recently carted around a 71 yr old beginning rider! That mare is a treasure – safest horse in the world on the trail.

I do find that most of the Arab/Teke crosses seem to be quieter and more personable than the PB Tekes…they are less stand-offish. But depends on the dam. My Polish Arab mare (triple bred Bask) can throw some real hotties (like Inde), but that came from her, not Kinor.

Again, there simply aren’t enough Tekes out there who have really put the miles in to actually prove their talent. 400 AERC miles isn’t much, after all.

Out of the actual Tekes who are doing endurance, Patrickhan is looking the best so far, but if you want to breed to him you need to be willing to work with frozen semen, since he was gelded a number of years ago.

I DO have high hopes for Kinor’s babies, and I’ve managed to place afew of them in very promising performance homes, but the jury is out for a few more years.

I have retained his only Teke offspring, a colt I named Kioyote Moon.http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2417243550104425996OVnKeg He was Kinor’s last foal and was conceived just a month before Kinor died. His dam is by Astrakhan and o/o a Kys granddaughter, so he is actually linebred to this (so-called) impure line of Tekes. But considering how athlete this line tended to be and were quite proven in performance (Gindarkh competed very successfully in jumpers & eventing off a Kys son back when she was a youngster ;)) this is actually a plus in my mind.

Kioyote is surprisingly mellow given his lineage and loaded with type AND movement, so for now I will keep him whole and we’ll go from there.

I do still have Kinor’s dam (Karma), who will be 25 yrs old soon, but she is retired from doing anything but eating. But she still looks good…she has the shiniest coat on her I’ve seen in ages! Here she is back in younger days:http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2910353560104425996WCSNcI

And that’s it for me in terms of Tekes, with the exception of Kazakh Heart, a 3/4 sister to Kinor. More about her later…:wink:

As for the Tekes in Iran, Brent Seutert (sp?) went there twice, hoping to import some of these horses, but as another poster noted, right now it’s just impossible because of the political climate.

Also, you would have to establish a new registry if you wanted to track bloodlines using this stock, because none of these horses would be accepted into the current Russian “mother studbook”.

All I can say for those of you out there looking for a Teke or a Teke cross to compete off of is do LOTS of homework, see LOTS of horses, check out legs & feet carefully and meet the horse in person if you can.

I hate to say this about a breed I adore, but the simple fact is there IS alot of crap out there – horses bred for looks and not much else.

Also, I know some people disagree with me on this, but I have found that (in general), these are NOT horses for ammies or real greenies to fumble around with. They tend to be sensitive, very forward, and easily offended (for lack of a better term).

I have a 3/4 sister to Kinor (the aforementioned Kazakh Heart) who is just lovely & may actually be the most athletic horse I’ve EVER seen, but who I have refused to sell over the years simply because I know she would be a total trainwreck in the wrong hands. After lots of handling, sacking out, etc. I finally put an English saddle on her afew weeks ago while we were in the round pen.

Well, she bucked so hard she bucked the saddle blanket out from under the saddle!!!:eek::eek: When she bucked, her back was actually higher than the highest bar on my 5’6" round pen!! All I could think of was “good gravy, I’m sure glad I wasn’t on her for that!!”. Here’s the little darling:http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2792131860104425996yMmWWA

She’s a supreme athlete, but she needs a rider who is just as athletic to bring it out…all others need not apply.

Just sayin’…:wink:

Very glad to hear this. Who did you talk to? You can PM me if you’d like.

Losing Kinor was a BIG loss for me, I’ll tell you that.

[QUOTE=TalkTeke;5758150]

There are a few stallions being used in Endurance. Some I drool over. I almost wish I had done more research into Teke studs and picked one of their offspring. But no, happy with Red, we click. Some of the studs I like are in the Stallion directory. http://www.teke.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2010sdirhr.pdf This directory is cool. Has a bunch of North American Tekes, with their stats, picture, performance history and performance history of offspring (if available). There are directories for previous years too.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the plug! My mother and I have compiling this directory for quite a few years now. It is very nice to know that someone actually looks at it!!! It has moved onto its own website now, but it is not perfect yet. When finally done, it will also have sales horses available, plus european sires and sales horses.
www.akhaltekedirectory.com

And to put in my own plug for the breed, I am starting my homebred filly in endurance this year. I think she is going to be good. :yes:

Kyz, who cares about his “purity”, I like Kioyote. Look forward to hearing more about him! (snooped your photo album to see pics of him)

Next horse. grin

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;5758327]
Very glad to hear this. Who did you talk to? You can PM me if you’d like.

Losing Kinor was a BIG loss for me, I’ll tell you that.[/QUOTE]

I lost the emails of those I chatted with re Kinor’s offspring - computer meltdown. Same goes for my memory!! So cannot tell you names. Sigh. I met them on Ridecamp. One of them sent me photos and told me about her horse. I did more research into Kinor. Said to myself; next one will be one of his!

Very sorry for your loss. Glad he lives on in your colt.

[QUOTE=Ozalynda;5758345]
Thanks for the plug! My mother and I have compiling this directory for quite a few years now. It is very nice to know that someone actually looks at it!!! It has moved onto its own website now, but it is not perfect yet. When finally done, it will also have sales horses available, plus european sires and sales horses.
www.akhaltekedirectory.com

And to put in my own plug for the breed, I am starting my homebred filly in endurance this year. I think she is going to be good. :yes:[/QUOTE]

I check it out every year. Do I send in the info for Murgab’s Offspring to you??? Just curious, since will be 2 years before I am competing with him! :lol:

Wish I had seen it before Teke shopping. Though might have ended up with Red anyway. I do really like him! Hope you keep it up. I am horribly nosy and want to see what others are doing! One suggestion: maybe also sort stallions by Breeder/ Farm on the At Stud page??

Hello…
I am brand new to this forum as of today and I felt compeled to join because of this thread. I am very interested in Teke’s, Arab/Teke crosses and endurance racing. I just wanted to say that I am getting soo much great information from all of you and I appreciate it. I hope this thread keeps going it has been very informative… I am just getting started so any help with networking, etc. will be greatly appreciated. I live in Lakewood, CA 90712.
thanks, Russell

You & Shirley deserved big kudos for keeping this going. I know it’s alot of work. Thanks to both of you.

Maybe in afew years we can add Kioyote to the list…:wink:

Just heard from Mel Hare yesterday. He bought one of Kinor’s Arab x foals from breeder/endurance rider Kerry Lee Redente – the gelding Kajun Bey CCR – when Kajun was just 30 days old.

He sent me these pics:http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2390185580104425996TddukA
of Kajun, shown just shortly after his 3rd birthday (forward through the album – there are 2 more new ones).

Mel reports via email: “I have about 5 rides on Kajun so far and all have gone flawlessly. I haven’t even picked up the reins yet, as Kajun is so sensitive and tuned into my body!”

That’s “Teke” when Teke is handled correctly and with sensitivity.

BTW, Mel lives near the open desert in Utah and has been ponying Kajun (free) out there since he was a yearling. He tells me Kajun loves to lead the way and explore the canyons.

Geeze, he’s gonna be ready for Tevis before he’s broke!:slight_smile:

Kajun has a full sister (Kahlua Gold CCR) who is now a yearling. She is the last of the Kinor babies available on the market.

Sure hope a serious rider gets her…

I keep looking at pictures of her and wishing I were about ten years older and a whole lot more fiscally sound.

Some day I hope to get one of yours, Kyzteke! Probably when Kioyote’s at stud. :yes:

Here are a couple of pictures of my 4 year old akhal teke filly who will start her first little endurance ride in a couple of weeks. She is not as fat as she looks in the riding picture!

http://www.hestegalleri.dk/uploads_xl_wm/2536512.jpg?23-04-2011_23:13:07
http://www.hestegalleri.dk/uploads_xl_wm/2520511.jpg?23-04-2011_23:13:07

Kyzteke, tell me about Kioyote.

Nice looking girl, Oz.

Well you know what they say, “the camera adds 100lbs ;)!” Lovely mare,btw.

Kioyote is Kinor’s last foal and only Teke foal. His dam was bred by Jas Sherer & was by Astrakhan and o/o a Kys daughter, making him linebred to Kys.

I leased the mare from Betsy Wandler (MT) with the idea I’d get the first foal and send Kia (the mare) back to her in foal to Kinor. The mare was rather hot, but her foals tend to be more mellow – and she was physically extremely correct, tall, with excellent legs, feet, bone and frame. Nice big butt, like your mare. Fair type; fair gaits.

Kinor died shortly after this mare was bred and Kioyote was born just after a shooting star fell over the barn :yes:.

He’s a golden metallic buckskin with 4 whites and a bit of white on his face.

He’s been a real surprise – he is a very easy going dude (for his breed) and looks like he’s going to be a good height, with big joints, straight legs and good feet.

Lovely face…not sure where it came from…but HUGE eye and very refined…everyone says he looks like a deer. I posted some pics of him as a foal in one of the posts above.

His gaits are more traditionally “Teke” than Kinor’s and he looks Teke to his absolute core. He just turned 1 yr old, so right now I’m just trying to make sure he turns into a good horsie citizen.

He may end up as a stallion…he may end up as a gelding…we’ll just have to see. But I’m thinking he’s a keeper either way…

Definitely a keeper. Sigh.