Amateur rule: where do you protest someone’s status?

[La-LaPopRider]

@blue_heron

It only prevents you from doing so if you really really care about your ammy status… which many of us don’t, and drop the ammy card to earn some extra cash.

I once asked an assistant trainer, “is it better to keep AA status or just go ahead & register as pro.” He replied, “Do you know why I ride as pro? Same reason every other pro does. We can’t afford not to.”

I recently asked my own trainer, “should I register as pro, or stay AA?” HE said, “it does not matter. You are about to start your first small tour. The goal is GP, but, between the small tour and ANY GP are the Rocky Mountains. Worry about that- not your registry status.”

Idk about anyone else, but, to me, this sounded like solid advice. I haven’t thought about status since he said it- but I have visualized a whole bunch of mountains. Mostly, during the day. Or, 24/7. I think my point is, there are bigger obstacles in dressage than “what should I register as?” (That is, IF you (g) still have a choice.)

[La-LaPopRider]

@Ghazzu

All these posts and you still don’t get it?

Why was this in reply to me?
I can assure you, I “get it.”
I could ask you the same question. All these posts & you still don’t “get it?” Oh well. I tried.

[Ghazzu]

@La-LaPopRider

I recently asked my own trainer, “should I register as pro, or stay AA?” HE said, “it does not matter. You are about to start your first small tour. The goal is GP, but, between the small tour and ANY GP are the Rocky Mountains. Worry about that- not your registry status.”

Idk about anyone else, but, to me, this sounded like solid advice. I haven’t thought about status since he said it- but I have visualized a whole bunch of mountains. Mostly, during the day. Or, 24/7. I think my point is, there are bigger obstacles in dressage than “what should I register as?” (That is, IF you (g) still have a choice.)

There is no requirement to “register as a pro.” On the contrary, one must declare as an amateur. The default setting is simply membership in the organization.

[rothmpp]

@La-LaPopRider

I once asked an assistant trainer, “is it better to keep AA status or just go ahead & register as pro.” He replied, “Do you know why I ride as pro? Same reason every other pro does. We can’t afford not to.”

Huh? That does not make any sense, unless that trainer was not a American. Any pro worth paying for their services would know that there is no such thing as “registering” as a pro. As to the third sentence - I certainly hope that he meant because he would be breaking the rules of the organization that sanctioned the shows he is attending and the rules he agreed to when he completed his membership.

[SillyHorse]

A few “experts” here have clearly demonstrated that they don’t know what they’re talking about.

[Mersidoats]

I don’t think it has much to do with showing open/AA, but more about career path.

I guess if you:

1a) Want a nice horse - this is key…
1b) Want to ride competitively
AND
2) can ride pretty well
AND
3a) have no means to purchase nice horse
3b) have limited ability to make money in a lucrative field of employment
3c) Don’t want to work in another field

… then you “can’t afford not to” try to ride professionally. Everyone else who hasn’t pigeonholed themselves into this predicament can afford to do whatever they want and show in whatever division they want.

There surely are professional riders and trainers who are stuck as in that career because they don’t have the ability or opportunity to make a career elsewhere. There are also pros with multiple degrees and varied employment history. No one registers as a professional, that is a fact. It’s assumed that you will compete in the open division, unless you declare your amateur status…and now we are full circle.

*edited for redundancy

[La-LaPopRider]

@Ghazzu

There is no requirement to “register as a pro.” On the contrary, one must declare as an amateur. The default setting is simply membership in the organization.

I understand. However, anytime I do an entry, I choose the division “Adult Amateur.” Also, there is a requirement to switch your status. That’s the entire point of (most of) this thread. Some believe certain actions “AND,” “remuneration,” are cause for a status change. Others have stated certain actions, even without “remuneration,” are cause to switch status.

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[La-LaPopRider]

@rothmpp

Huh? That does not make any sense, unless that trainer was not a American. Any pro worth paying for their services would know that there is no such thing as “registering” as a pro. As to the third sentence - I certainly hope that he meant because he would be breaking the rules of the organization that sanctioned the shows he is attending and the rules he agreed to when he completed his membership.

Dual citizenship. USA & Canada. Aside from that, I can’t speak to what anyone “hopes that he meant.” I can only speak to what he factually did say. (WRT the assistant trainer who told me this. Not my current trainer, to avoid confusion.)

[Ghazzu]

@La-LaPopRider

I understand.

Narrator: she did not understand.

[CanteringCarrot]

Okayyyy

backs away slowly

[La-LaPopRider]

@Ghazzu

@La-LaPopRider

I understand.

Narrator: she did not understand.

Screenplay writer: (addressing Narrator) The line “she did not understand,” continues on page 2. There is no period, after the word “understand.” Keep reading.

Narrator: (repeating first part of the line & continuing to page 2 this time) She did not understand why some posters failed to realize that she quite probably has better information, due to recent & current events, which allowed her a more comprehensive viewpoint than those “going by the book.” She then remembered the tale of the Maga people, and understood immediately. Showing those folks the world is round & not flat is an exercise in futility. As is this exercise. Let them learn on their own, she quietly observed in her head.

[Ghazzu]

After the screenplay was returned from the editor.

Narrator:
She did not understand that reading comprehension is fundamental to understanding of the rulebook.

[Sparky]

[Manni01]

Yep I agree !

[La-LaPopRider]

@Ghazzu

After the screenplay was returned from the editor.

Narrator:
She did not understand that reading comprehension is fundamental to understanding of the rulebook.

The director oversees screenplay re-writes. An editor oversees printed story re-writes/retractions etc.

Screenplay reviewed by director. Returned again.

Narrator: She also did not care. She knew the “Rulebook,” had nothing to do with the application & enforcement of “the rules.” She felt sorry for those who believed otherwise. Though, she tried to explain in a whisper, knowing one saying to be true. “She who argues loudest- is least sure of her argument.” And her voice remained in tact.

[Ghazzu]

Narrator: after the dustup, the fired screenwiter was overheard sitting in a dive bar, muttering into her beer, “I was right, I tell you. The rulebook means nothing. It’s all who you know.”

[CanteringCarrot]

Really? A rulebook has nothing to do with the application and enforcement of the rules? Huh. I guess people can just do what they want. That’s cool.

[atl_hunter]

@La-LaPopRider

@Ghazzu

@La-LaPopRider

I understand.

Narrator: she did not understand.

Screenplay writer: (addressing Narrator) The line “she did not understand,” continues on page 2. There is no period, after the word “understand.” Keep reading.

Narrator: (repeating first part of the line & continuing to page 2 this time) She did not understand why some posters failed to realize that she quite probably has better information, due to recent & current events, which allowed her a more comprehensive viewpoint than those “going by the book.” She then remembered the tale of the Maga people, and understood immediately. Showing those folks the world is round & not flat is an exercise in futility. As is this exercise. Let them learn on their own, she quietly observed in her head.

Quentin Tarantino arrives to the rescue, kills this film, sits everyone down and says, “I don’t judge my characters, and that’s my job not to judge them. It’s my job to treat them with respect and to just look at it from their point of view.”

[rothmpp]

@La-LaPopRider

Narrator: (repeating first part of the line & continuing to page 2 this time) She did not understand why some posters failed to realize that she quite probably has better information, due to recent & current events, which allowed her a more comprehensive viewpoint than those “going by the book.” She then remembered the tale of the Maga people, and understood immediately. Showing those folks the world is round & not flat is an exercise in futility. As is this exercise. Let them learn on their own, she quietly observed in her head.

You’re kidding, right? You are aware that you don’t know who most of these posters are IRL? There are licensed judges, CDI & national show managers and secretaries, USDF regional representatives as posters on these forums. No matter how much you want to insist, you don’t “have better information” and “a more comprehensive viewpoint” than people “going by the book”. It’s exactly that, people NOT going by the rulebook, that causes these issues in the first place.

Contrary to your understanding, you don’t have to change your designation from amateur to open, you just don’t sign your amateur declaration when you renew your membership and it defaults to open. When you do have to go through a bit of a process is if you’ve been showing open and want to switch to amateur. I can tell you from experience, that it is a easy mistake to make, skipping over the amateur declaration and then not finding out until the show you have entered tells you that you do not have the proper membership for the division that you entered.

[Mersidoats]

@La-LaPopRider

Narrator: She also did not care. She knew the “Rulebook,” had nothing to do with the application & enforcement of “the rules.” She felt sorry for those who believed otherwise.

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breathes

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Just because you think you’re special doesn’t mean the rest of us do.