See thats the problem… Michael Klimke went to law School and as far as I know Works as a lawyer…
Thats how he is classified in Germany… its not my fault that you stick to your way of seeing things…
https://www.kanzlei-klimke.de/
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Well yes. Isn’t this the truth on all sides here.
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My question hasn’t been answered. If Michael Klimke is an amateur, despite having represented the nation on a number of international teams, then what exactly makes someone a professional?
If it’s by ability, then I don’t think the case has been made here.
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@Jealoushe having pictures of you riding at an event inspire so much envy in a person sounds like a life goal to me!
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You should find out who it is, if you ever can, take that photo, sign it and send it to them. A nice autograph.
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Ok obviously you did not read my post… You are a professional in Germany if you finish the course of education for professionals… somebody riding my barn will have her final examination next week. she learned for 3 years and will hopefully be a Bereiter next week. I think the requirements are 2nd level dressage and jumping together with an examination with theory. That’s what Christoph Koschel and Frederic Wandres did as well. I am not aware that M. Klimke did this (maybe he did) but additionally he went to University and got his degree in law just like his father…
And I would like to add that Christoph Koschel is lawyer as well, but he also did his education for Bereiter and is going to try to become Reitmeister which is the highest level you can reach as a professional. Ingrid Klimke is Reitmeister and I believe it gets awarded…
You can declare that I am wrong all day long of course.
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You said “typical” ammie. Do most German ammie riders compete in Wellington? Or have fathers who are individual Olympic gold medalists?
Isobel Werth also went to law school.
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Not sure what you are talking about… Most German Ammies compete in Germany… BUT I consider myself a typical German ammie and I competed in Wellington 
… So maybe this answer helps
But to comfort you… It doesn’t really matter in Germany whether you are a professional or not.
For showing you can be whatever you like
For being in the National team I do think they eliminated the Amateurrule anyhow and
the only time you might need it is to apply for a job in a show barn (the girl in my barn is doing this in the moment and I hope she gets the job…)
Oh and I nearly forgot, during Corona in some states only professionals were allowed to attend shows… Ammies were not 
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I think Michael Klimke was competing in Wellington this past winter season. How is that compatible with his being a working lawyer in Germany?
I assume people in Germany get vacation time too.
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I posted his website, maybe the other lawyers in the companies took over his work and maybe he was able to work with Skype or whatever???
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If he is a partner in his firm, he probably has flexibility as to how much time off as well.
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Another link which maybe helps … https://heelsdownmag.com/the-golden-system-how-germany-consistently-produces-top-ranked-riders/
And about Christoph Koschel… https://horsesport.com/magazine/profiles/german-dressage-rider-christoph-koschel-alternative-path/
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I mean, I work from home and that gives me the flexibility to go to Wellington every winter and ride my own 3 horses every day.
I still suck in many regards so I’m not sure anyone should have any fear of me becoming the next Alice Tarjan or anything.
My point was if it’s not actually by ability, but instead a choice to take the exams and become a professional, I don’t see how that’s different than the professional amateurs with enough money to ride full time but not need to be paid for it.
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Sorry maybe ai was not clear about it… Yes it is a choice, you take the exam as a horse professional and then you are a professional. You might still never make it to the national team. On the other hand you can be a lawyer and make t to the National team.
One thing has nothing to do with the other. and both compete in the same classes if they are on the same skill level. and nobody but the tax department cares whether the Lawyer gives lessons…
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So the fact that Michael Klimke represents Germany in international competitions and people pay him money to teach clinics is in keeping with other “typical” amateurs in Germany? That’s not typical.
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https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/whos-who/klimke-dr-reiner/ If you think so… I am sure you are an expert… an article about Dr. R. Klimke
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So again, for the third time, what determines your ability level?
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That is not an easy question and I really cannot answer it… I hope this link will help you…
https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Klasseneinteilung_im_deutschen_Reitsport
It is a bit tricky and I am in performance group 4 (whatever that means)
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The best revenge will be laying the smack down out on course 
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