Has any American breeder produced a colt that successfully completed licensing/testing in Europe?
Is it even possible? If a breeder had a colt registered by one of the American branches of a European WB registry (AHS, GOV, RPSI, etc), could it eligible for licensing & testing over there?
Tzigane (TRK) is in Europe and was bred by a COTHer. Whether he had to pass the licensing/testing in Europe, I don’t know; nor do I know if he is breeding over there…
Taz does have some German born foals. So I guess he’s breeding over there.
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Has any American breeder produced a colt that successfully completed licensing/testing in Europe?[/QUOTE]
Marefield Meadows has produced several approved stallions that were licensed/tested in Germany, including Dauphin. There are several others.
Judy Hedreen produced a Canstakko son that was licensed/tested in Germany.
As for the AHS, stallions licensed/tested here are automatically accepted by the Verband and vice-versa.
Anne Kitchell’s Statesman, or are you asking if a colt born in the US has been exported to europe for stallion testing?
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Anne Kitchell’s Statesman, or are you asking if a colt born in the US has been exported to europe for stallion testing?[/QUOTE]
Yes, this ^^^^.
Lots of follks have bought young colts over in Europe, then brought them to the US for testing…sometimes even licensing.
So, if you were working with a registry that has an American branch, a person in Europe could buy a yearling or 2 yr old colt here and take it over to Europe for inspection for licensing (then testing).
Is that correct?
Yes they could. And with the possibility of the stallion test not happening this year in North America, an option would be to send your stallion over to Germany for their test
To my knowledge, but happy to be corrected, I do not know of any stallion bred IN THE US and shipped overseas for presentation, licensing, testing and standing. As mentioned above there are a few US breeders that keep mares in Germany and have produced licensed sons.
If I was lucky enough to breed a true stallion prospect I would send the foal over to Germany to be raised at a stallion rearing farm. There is MUCH more opportunity to present, test and sell a stallion in Germany than here in the US. And yes, that would be more than possible. If approved with say the Hannoveraner Verband, the stallion would be automatically accepted for breeding to AHS mares. The same applies for other German registries with US sister organizations.
What about SilverCreeks Validation??
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What about SilverCreeks Validation??[/QUOTE]
I believe he was bred and tested here in the US. After that was sent to Germany for competition…and doing quite well:)
http://futuresporthorses.co.uk/stallions/hand-in-glove-xx/
MY friend got Hand in Glove off the track, showed in him dressage, he then went into jumpers and was bought and taken to Europe as an improvement stallion.
I don’t think he was ever presented, but he was approved by a bunch of registries.
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Yes they could. And with the possibility of the stallion test not happening this year in North America, an option would be to send your stallion over to Germany for their test[/QUOTE]
Aside, but: why would the NA Stallion Test not happen?
Because they can’t get enough stallions to fill it and make it worth hiring all the riders/trainers/etc. Which is a shame, because plenty have been licensed that there should be enough at testing to make it happen.
http://americantrakehner.com/stallions/LordLuciano.asp Lord Luciano was bred in VT by Debra Tyler of Tylord Farms, sent to Germany as a long weanling/yearling and was raised over there, presented over there, approved over there, went through licensing over there and is now competing (very successfully) over there. He was approved Trakehner Verband (and is approved ATA), not sure about what other registries he is approved with at this time.
I can only think of a few licensed stallions in Europe that were bred and born in the U.S.:
Tzigane
Lord Luciano
Validation
I believe Tzigane was originally licensed here by ATA, and later presented to the Trakehner Verband in Germany. I do not know if he met performance requirements via testing or via performance, not do I know if he is licensed by registries other than Trakehner. I know the Trakehner performance requirements are somewhat different from those of the other Verbands in Germany, so he would need to meet the requirements of the other Verbands in order to be approved by them.
I also do not know if Lord Luciano did a performance test in Germany. Anissa, do you know?
Validation was originally licensed and performance tested here. Since he was licensed by several organizations with reciprocity in Germany, and he passed performance requirements at a testing recognized and approved by the FN and German Verbands, he did not need to be re-presented in Germany to the mother Verbands of those U.S. based registries, nor did he need to meet additional performance requirements to be considered approved by those Verbands. (Barbara, please correct me if I am wrong).
But to answer the OP’s question: To my knowledge, there are only three registries operating in North America with full reciprocity with their “mother” Verbands in Germany - AHS, OHBS/GOV, and RPSI. Colts registered with those registries could be sent to Germany for stallion inspection. If licensed, and if they meet the licensing organization’s performance requirements, they would be considered fully approved by that organization in Germany and by its North America counterpart or daughter organization.
Chris see my post above regarding Lord Luciano. :).
Tizgane met performance req for tgeVerband. He did not do the 100/70 DT here or there.
The ATA/Verband have reciprocity with each other however the American horses must meet the Performance Req for the Verband which are more stringent that the ATA’s.
I know that Commentator was born in the US but I don’t know what the next steps are for him: http://www.sportpferde-ehning.com/start.php?typ=auflistung&name=current%20horses&lang=en
I was told that the Holsteiner Verband purchased another one of Judith’s stallions but I don’t have specifics and I’m not sure if he was born here or in Germany.
Edited to add: Clarcon was indeed purchased by the Holsteiner Verband but I believe that he was born in Germany. http://holsteiner-verband.de/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idart=5561
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Chris see my post above regarding Lord Luciano. :).
Tizgane met performance req for tgeVerband. He did not do the 100/70 DT here or there.
The ATA/Verband have reciprocity with each other however the American horses must meet the Performance Req for the Verband which are more stringent that the ATA’s.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Anissa. But I am still not clear on whether Lord Luciano was performance tested in Germany, or if he met the performance requirements via sport.
http://www.webelsgrund.de/LordLuciano.html Just one of the websites that has info on him. Yes, he went through the 30 day test in 2006 and the 70 day test in 2007. And now he is competing successfully at Grand Prix Dressage.
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http://www.webelsgrund.de/LordLuciano.html Just one of the websites that has info on him. Yes, he went through the 30 day test in 2006 and the 70 day test in 2007. And now he is competing successfully at Grand Prix Dressage.[/QUOTE]
OK, thanks.
It appears that he may be the ONLY stallion in Europe that was bred and born in the USA, licensed in Germany by one of the major Verbands, AND performance tested in Germany.
Congrats to his breeder and owner, and double congrats for his successful dressage career!
Well - we produced the TCF Titanium TB stallion by Guaranteed Gold that Gwen Gregorio of Gestuet Falkenhorst in Germany purchased in utero. He was presented as a late 2 year old and the inspectors asked that he come back as a 3 year old.
I’ll have Gwen come onto this thread but I believe that has been done, and he has been inspected and approved so he would be a Canadian stallion sent to Germany, standing in Germany, that fits this criteria 
I’ll have Gwen clarify for sure
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