American-Bred Stallions in Europe

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;7714564]
Per post #31, he has not been performance tested yet, so his “approval” is still pending.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I read that. I think the question that is floating around this thread is - is that accurate?

If you read the advertisement linked here it says he was approved in 2013. Which leads to the question of 'which is it, is he approved in 2013 or is he pending some testing so not really approved. Clearly it can not be both.

@KBC;7708834

http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-634737

If you do not want to go to the ad link this is a copy and paste of the portion of the ad that is being referenced.

TCF Palladium has been approved in Germany in 2013 - I believe that he is the first son of a North American based stallion to have European breeding approval.

Which is why I asked if there is somewhere online to look up who is approved and who is not.

This is really sounding like a case of a stallion owner saying something to make their horse sound better and slightly lacking in facts.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

@trubandloki;7714645

Clearly it can not be both.

Actually…it can be in some registries. A stallion can be approved and liscenced. It allows a certian number of breedings. But to get the lifetime approval, they have to meet certain performance requirements within a certain time period and their offspring needs to be a certain caliber.

I think in this case, this stallion is being presented to Trak initially. I looks like he was approved by inspection but now needs to reach the performance requirements (Looks like they have two years to meet it). But that is a guess on my part doing very little research and not really knowing Trak. requirements other than I thought they do have a certain level of performance requirement for full lifetime approval.

More power to his people going through the processes. I just spent 5 minutes on a quick google search and found a lot about him. He looks to be at a large breeding farm in Germany that has a focus on WB colored offspring–in particular Trak. but recognizes the importance of more than pretty color. That isn’t a bad business plan. home page here http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.com/gfhome.html

I think he has be discussed enough for this thread. He is in the pipeline for full approval (has the approval scores from his inspection—on the German Web page here http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.com/palladium.html) and gone farther than a lot of other US bred horses.

[acottongim]

BFNE - The ATA requirements and the Verband requirements (which this colt would have to meet since he is in Germany) are VASTLY different. The TK Verband is exactly like every other “big” WB association in Germany - they must do the 70 DT with minimum scores (I have no idea what those are sorry) or performance. I do not have all the performance requirements at hand but (for example) I know that if Tate is going to be approved there he will have to get 1 - 3rd place in 5 different HT at Intermediate or above to be elig for full approvals… Of course there is more to it than that but that gives you an idea?

[KBC]

[QUOTE=bornfreenowexpensive;7714666]

I think he has be discussed enough for this thread. He is in the pipeline for full approval (has the approval scores from his inspection—on the German Web page here http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.com/palladium.html) and gone farther than a lot of other US bred horses.[/QUOTE]

That makes sense now thank you, so he is in the process, has more to do to actually BE approved. Sorry if it wasn’t relevant, I thought it was and was trying to understand I think I’m straight now.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=acottongim;7714769]
BFNE - The ATA requirements and the Verband requirements (which this colt would have to meet since he is in Germany) are VASTLY different. The TK Verband is exactly like every other “big” WB association in Germany - they must do the 70 DT with minimum scores (I have no idea what those are sorry) or performance. I do not have all the performance requirements at hand but (for example) I know that if Tate is going to be approved there he will have to get 1 - 3rd place in 5 different HT at Intermediate or above to be elig for full approvals… Of course there is more to it than that but that gives you an idea?[/QUOTE]

I wasn’t saying they were the same. From what I could tell, this TB boy got the inspection scores (which are higher threshold requirements for a TB) and now needs to meet the performance requirements prior to getting full approval. Since he was presented as a young horse (looks like at 3) he didn’t have to have the performance requirement yet but now needs to do that. Looks like he has to go through one of the testings but I don’t really know (or honestly care).

My my point was just that he is fairly far in the progress but not yet completed. And just clarified that one poster was not correct that some registries will give provincial approvals and breeding licenses prior to full approval.

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=bornfreenowexpensive;7714866]
I wasn’t saying they were the same. From what I could tell, this TB boy got the inspection scores (which are higher threshold requirements for a TB) and now needs to meet the performance requirements prior to getting full approval. Since he was presented as a young horse (looks like at 3) he didn’t have to have the performance requirement yet but now needs to do that. Looks like he has to go through one of the testings but I don’t really know (or honestly care).

My my point was just that he is fairly far in the progress but not yet completed. And just clarified that one poster was not correct that some registries will give provincial approvals and breeding licenses prior to full approval.[/QUOTE]

I’m not sure you are correct about that. At least a few years back, BWP would license a young stallion for breeding, and he would breed, but still had a few years to meet their performance requirements for a lifetime approval.

[alexandra]

to Trubandloki and KBC:
Bornfreenowexpansive has it right. one has to distinguish between licensing and approval. The licensing happens after presentation to the relevant registry. Than a stallion is autmatically approved if he has the Performance requirements that are defined for the very age he is. That can be in younger years either Sport or tests. Sport would need Bundeschampionat qualification, which this stallion can not meet as not of a german registry. Full lifetime approval either 70day test with a certain score upto a certain Age and if that Age is passed as someone stated for the Tate this is sportsuccess at Level 4 dressage or something Special at 3 day or in certain jumping classes.

Yes there is something one can look up licensed or not for Germany and when by which registry, but that is a site that needs membership and they Show only all licensings of the last reporting year which is 2013. and it is rather difficult to find something in there if it is not a german WB. So - to get exact Information - just drop Gwen of Falkenhorst a mail !

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7714887]
I’m not sure you are correct about that. At least a few years back, BWP would license a young stallion for breeding, and he would breed, but still had a few years to meet their performance requirements for a lifetime approval.[/QUOTE]

Thats what I said. KWPN does the same but most have a time frame and limit the number of breedings. But I do not know that this is the case with Trakehners.

[alexandra]

As the Trakehner Verband falls under german law it is as stated above in my post.
And basically like the quote and summary that BFNE posts from Vineyridge.