Citango by Contango KWPN approved stallion bred and born in the US.
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So his approval is still at the âpendingâ stage only[/QUOTE]
So not approved and not meeting the criteria called for on this thread then?
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So not approved and not meeting the criteria called for on this thread then?[/QUOTE]
Full lifetime approval pending as far as I understand
How can the US test in the future be recognized as fully equal to the german ones as we are about to change to only a few stations that can test and to a special system to distribute the stalllions to be tested to those stations ?
I knwo actually about people that are sick about all the loops within the US that they think about exporting their colts already after weaning. Taking advantage of also the good raising options for colts, the reputation druing Germany licensing including sales options and the easier route of testing.
Would like to follow this to find out what changes!
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I totally agree omare. Too often stallions will come through the Test and rest only on the Test scores for the license and never do anything in sport. There are a lot of interesting stallions at competitions that breeders never know anything about but havenât completed testing/performance necessary for a breeding license so arenât eligible for licenses with many registries. But they will forever live in the AO hunters or 1.30m jumpersâŠyou get my drift. 
And of course to take the time out of a competition schedule to be tested at that point seems unappetizing.
Good news is that there are changes in the future for the format of the Stallion Test. We are very excited about it, but of course are not at liberty to discuss. Sorry⊠But we are flexible and excited about continuing to help sport horse breeding in America evolve. :)[/QUOTE]
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How can the US test in the future be recognized as fully equal to the german ones as we are about to change to only a few stations that can test and to a special system to distribute the stalllions to be tested to those stations ?
I knwo actually about people that are sick about all the loops within the US that they think about exporting their colts already after weaning. Taking advantage of also the good raising options for colts, the reputation druing Germany licensing including sales options and the easier route of testing.[/QUOTE]
Do you know why the testing system is changing? What are they aiming to accomplish by distributing the stallions by a method rather than simply the breeder/owner choosing the site (which I assume is now the case?)?
One of the reasons I started this thread for just that very reason; not that testing in the US has any more âloopsâ, but there isnât much of a market once the stallion is tested.
I produced a very nice mare, and when she was 2.5, I sold her for not a huge amount of $$. Two people who frequent Germany and the auctions really liked the mare (they were breeders, so not looking to buy) and said if Iâd sold her in Germany I would have gotten twice the price.
Of course this doesnât advance AMERICAN breeding, but I wonder if, in certain cases with superior individuals, it wouldnât make economic sense to take a colt over to Germany before they are two to be prepped and presented for licensing. Even if they werenât licensed, perhaps the horseâs sales prices at the auction afterwards would still yield the breeder a profit? (I know, those two words âprofitâ and âhorseâ donât usually go togetherâŠ).
I suppose it would depend on oneâs âconnectionsâ and access to experienced colt rearers and prep people in Germany.
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Full lifetime approval pending as far as I understand[/QUOTE]
Pending what though, sorry didnât understand that, has he got to be presented again, or is he just waiting a rubber stamp?
Full life time approval is only archieved if specific requirements performance wise are met. But
As to changing the system: There are important changes to archieve much better equality by having only very few stations. Than a stallion can not be at a place where someone who had him in training within the last x days (100 ? do not recall). This means e.g. state stud Celle can not test any of his own stallions anymore !
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Pending what though, sorry didnât understand that, has he got to be presented again, or is he just waiting a rubber stamp?[/QUOTE]
Did you answer KBCâs question? If yes can you explain further because I am not getting it still.
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Did you answer KBCâs question? If yes can you explain further because I am not getting it still.[/QUOTE]
I think it is maybe now redundant, according to this ad he is now approved
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I think it is maybe now redundant, according to this ad he is now approved
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-634737[/QUOTE]
That says he was approved in 2013 so I am confused why someone in the know about him is saying here, now (it is 2014, right?) that it is still pending. To me it only makes it more confusing.
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That says he was approved in 2013 so I am confused why someone in the know about him is saying here, now (it is 2014, right?) that it is still pending. To me it only makes it more confusing.[/QUOTE]
This colt is oustanding in his conformation, movement and type and will not only be an athlete in the show ring, but will also be an important addition to many different breeding programs. Champagneandpearls was the highest scoring mare at the recent BWP inspection (against WB mares!) and TCF Palladium has been approved in Germany in 2013 - I believe that he is the first son of a North American based stallion to have European breeding approval.
You are right it does say approved, not pending.
Let us keep it moving as TCF Palladium has nothing to do with this thread. I am sure updates will be posted as soon as he has the âstampâ.
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Loucky Hagen-Groosman, who used to live in Virginia, sold the foal Cintango (Contago x Jazz), bred and born in the U.S., to the Netherlands, where he became fully approved with the KWPN.
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Let us keep it moving as TCF Palladium has nothing to do with this thread. I am sure updates will be posted as soon as he has the âstampâ.[/QUOTE]
Not sure discussing TCF Palladium is not apropos to this thread. If he was approved in Germany, then doesnât he meet the criteria - born in the U.S. and sent to Germany for licensing and approval?
I do wonder, though, how he can be approved in Book I by a German registry, since his sire isnât approved by a registry acknowledged by the German Verbands. 
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Loucky Hagen-Groosman, who used to live in Virginia, sold the foal Cintango (Contago x Jazz), bred and born in the U.S., to the Netherlands, where he became fully approved with the KWPN.[/QUOTE]
Yes, someone mentioned him earlier. So we add him to the very short list of stallions meeting the criteria. 
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Not sure discussing TCF Palladium is not apropos to this thread. If he was approved in Germany, then doesnât he meet the criteria - born in the U.S. and sent to Germany for licensing and approval?
I do wonder, though, how he can be approved in Book I by a German registry, since his sire isnât approved by a registry acknowledged by the German Verbands. [/QUOTE]
He has JC papersâŠso he would be no different than any other TB getting approval.
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=8861870®istry=T
Some pictures of him here. Good looking horse (regardless of his color). http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10743133
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He has JC papersâŠso he would be no different than any other TB getting approval.
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=8861870Âźistry=T
Some pictures of him here. Good looking horse (regardless of his color). http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10743133[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I wasnât sure if he actually had JC papers.
But that is the question - Was her actually approved in Germany?
Is there a location to look approvals up?
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But that is the question - Was he (TCF Palladiium) actually approved in Germany?[/QUOTE]
Per post #31, he has not been performance tested yet, so his âapprovalâ is still pending.
