Sunday, 7/31, Race 3 at Del Mar.
Will be interesting how she performs. Sounds like not built like big brother according to Baffert.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/213711/american-cleopatra-entered-at-del-mar
shes a filly so doesn’t surprise me in the build department. shes a little heavier, stockier but she looks like a gritty filly. will be interesting over the next few months
I’m amazed she didn’t go straight to the breeding shed. I’m not sure what she could do on the track that would increase her value over what she’s already worth as a full to a TC winner.
I’m just an amateur spectator so don’t know how “valuable” my opinion is 
If I was looking to either buy her or buy her children, despite being a full sibling to AP, I’d be interested somewhat also in her ability to perform. Genes are great but having good genes and not being able to perform would interest me less (so maybe a reason not to race her). But, I still want to see some level of can she run or not.
My incredibly valuable 2 cents 
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I’m amazed she didn’t go straight to the breeding shed. I’m not sure what she could do on the track that would increase her value over what she’s already worth as a full to a TC winner.[/QUOTE]
That was my thought exactly. It’ll be fun to see how she does though.
[QUOTE=Drvmb1ggl3;8769666]
I’m amazed she didn’t go straight to the breeding shed. I’m not sure what she could do on the track that would increase her value over what she’s already worth as a full to a TC winner.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know how anyone could not want to race the full sister to a Triple Crown winner. 
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I don’t know how anyone could not want to race the full sister to a Triple Crown winner. [/QUOTE]
While I’d love to see her race too, just to see if she is as equally talented as he was, the fact is she is already worth an absolute fortune as a broodmare. I’m surprised they would risk her and not just wrap her in cotton wool. Also, every year she is racing she is not producing babies and she has a finite number of years in her.
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While I’d love to see her race too, just to see if she is as equally talented as he was, the fact is she is already worth an absolute fortune as a broodmare. I’m surprised they would risk her and not just wrap her in cotton wool. Also, every year she is racing she is not producing babies and she has a finite number of years in her.[/QUOTE]
Well sure, but…horses find ways to get hurt no matter what you do with them. Look at Brilliant Speed who was standing in a beautiful pasture on a mostly sunny afternoon and got killed by lightning.
As for the couple of years she’ll “lose” racing, her value as a broodmare will be decided by her first 5-6 foals, and will drop off after that anyway–unless she’s producing more TC winners, of course.
^^^ I think the Zayats like racing, going to the winners circle and all, too much to make her a broodmare right away. I can understand that, I guess.
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I’m amazed she didn’t go straight to the breeding shed. I’m not sure what she could do on the track that would increase her value over what she’s already worth as a full to a TC winner.[/QUOTE]
Huh??
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I’m amazed she didn’t go straight to the breeding shed. I’m not sure what she could do on the track that would increase her value over what she’s already worth as a full to a TC winner.
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Huh??[/QUOTE]
If she flops at the track, she’s proven as a poor runner. Many well-bred, high quality fillies remain unraced because “potential” (unknown ability) is a better seller than a published losing race record. Her foals could be worth somewhat more if she is unproven, rather than if she finishes up the track in 3 or 4 maiden specials.
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If she flops at the track, she’s proven as a poor runner. Many well-bred, high quality fillies remain unraced because “potential” (unknown ability) is a better seller than a published losing race record. Her foals could be worth somewhat more if she is unproven, rather than if she finishes up the track in 3 or 4 maiden specials.[/QUOTE]
Even if her foals are worthless, she can produce at most one a year. AP can cover HOW many mares, for which there’s a fee paid no matter how good they turn out? It’s not a case where SHE is the spectacular one or she’s the only offspring of something amazing (a la Rachel’s Valentina being retired-they have Jess’s Dream, sure, but they’re halfs and RA won’t be bred again).
American Cleopatra - just have to say, I love the name. :yes:
If she flops at the track, though, can’t see it anyway affecting her value as a broodmare. Look at the vast numbers of losing broodmares who were wonderful producers and moms. And the numbers of outstanding race fillies whose get haven’t done much.
Of course there are some neat exceptions to the latter.
I think I’d be more worried about her being injured myself.
But then again, Mr. Zayat is now the expert racehorse developer. That investment offering sure dropped him back down several notches to me again.
La Troienne mean anything to you? 7 starts, no wins. Total earnings $146.
Somethingroyal. 1 start, unplaced
Iron Reward 8 starts, no wins
Littleprincessemma 2 starts, no wins
Why would a bad race or two or seven say anything about her quality as a broodmare? Her genes and the sire’s genes will determine that. Her first few foals are going to be worth a ton at the sales, if that’s where they go, even if she had a short and unsuccessful racing career. And if they turn out to be runners, she’ll be incredibly valuable.
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If she flops at the track, she’s proven as a poor runner. Many well-bred, high quality fillies remain unraced because “potential” (unknown ability) is a better seller than a published losing race record. Her foals could be worth somewhat more if she is unproven, rather than if she finishes up the track in 3 or 4 maiden specials.[/QUOTE]
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Sunday, 7/31, Race 3 at Del Mar.
Will be interesting how she performs. Sounds like not built like big brother according to Baffert.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/213711/american-cleopatra-entered-at-del-mar[/QUOTE]
I didn’t even know he had a full sister.
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La Troienne mean anything to you? 7 starts, no wins. Total earnings $146.
Somethingroyal. 1 start, unplaced
Iron Reward 8 starts, no wins
Littleprincessemma 2 starts, no wins
Why would a bad race or two or seven say anything about her quality as a broodmare? Her genes and the sire’s genes will determine that. Her first few foals are going to be worth a ton at the sales, if that’s where they go, even if she had a short and unsuccessful racing career. And if they turn out to be runners, she’ll be incredibly valuable.[/QUOTE]
And look at the fabulous race mares who went on to produce…nothing. So few we can name who actually produced anything noteworthy, let alone brilliant.
Anyone know the PT for today’s 3rd race at Del Mar? EDT or PDT.
Thanks in advance!
Post time is 3:03PM, PDT.
So… interesting choice of jockey. Full sister to a TC winner and they go with Stewart Elliott? I seriously thought I was reading the entries wrong.
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And look at the fabulous race mares who went on to produce…nothing. So few we can name who actually produced anything noteworthy, let alone brilliant.[/QUOTE]
Actually, its been statistically proven that the better racemares are better producers. Being as its horses, nothing is set in stone, and theres many examples of ordinary mares producing top horses, but it you take an overall sample, its been shown to be true.
