I vaccinate my horses, twice a year, so no real problem for me; however, I know some will find this onerous, although there seems to be an out for horses with known adverse reactions. I am assuming non-vaxers have a sympathetic vet.
Yeah, I’m not too happy with this rule, since I have an IR horse. I understand the reasoning behind it (we are looking at similar requirements for children in California:cool:), but it could mean an inability to show for some of us!
I travel part time for work, so a log of temps is not going to happen. And - they aren’t going to address the real illness they are worried about - neuro version of Rhino! There is NO vaccine for that illness.
There is a way around the rule, although its dishonest. Section 3 allows for proof of purchase of a vaccine…buy it and then don’t administer. 
We have had to show proof of the flu/rhino vaccination within 6 months at the Saugerties shows for a few years now.
Wish we could do this for people in public places :).
Despite my being very pro-health and therefore firmly in the immunize unless absolutely unable to for the horse’s health, my horse has terrible reactions, so we do the minimum and watch him very closely.
Letter from a vet is sufficient…
I think this is a great rule and I wish we could do it for humans.
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Wish we could do this for people in public places :).
Despite my being very pro-health and therefore firmly in the immunize unless absolutely unable to for the horse’s health, my horse has terrible reactions, so we do the minimum and watch him very closely.
Letter from a vet is sufficient…
I think this is a great rule and I wish we could do it for humans.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I think vaccines are important - for people and horses! Just dealing with a horse who has severe reactions - and a letter from the vet is NOT enough. It also requires twice daily temping for a week prior to the show, and every day of the show. So for those of us with work schedules that don’t allow us to take a week off leading up to the show - it makes it prohibitive.
Sadly, I agree, some people will simply buy the vaccine, keep the receipt, and toss the product :no:
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I agree, I think vaccines are important - for people and horses! Just dealing with a horse who has severe reactions - and a letter from the vet is NOT enough. It also requires twice daily temping for a week prior to the show, and every day of the show. So for those of us with work schedules that don’t allow us to take a week off leading up to the show - it makes it prohibitive.
Sadly, I agree, some people will simply buy the vaccine, keep the receipt, and toss the product :no:[/QUOTE]
Mine too-I feel your pain and didn’t not give flu/rhino.
But there isn’t any specifics on what time the temperatures have to be taken the week prior, so wouldn’t it be not too much trouble to do it twice a day?
What I find interesting is that on the one hand there is a push to bring in new people to dressage with the offering of Opportunity Classes and inclusion of Intro Level at recognized shows. But on the other hand this rule change could well discourage those same potential new competitors who may well not have planned their year (and their vaccination record keeping) with an eye to attending a recognized show.
We have some vaccinations done by the veterinarian but order and give our own flu/rhino twice a year. It’s never occurred to us to record the serial numbers and expiration dates, just the date of administration. Good to know this may be a requirement so we can do it going forward, but then we already know we may get to a recognized show later in 2016.
So the record of temperatures is only required if the horse can’t have the vaccinations…but how can they possibly police this? They’ll have no idea if it was actually done or if the “record” was just made up out of whole cloth.
Ok Im part of this group of vaccination problems. My nice fancy warmblood reacted to an injection when he was 3 and foundered. Ever since then, I have avoided giving him shots. A few yrs ago, I hauled him to Alamo Pintada (well respected vet hospital north of LA) and left him there for 4 days. They iced his legs, took his temps and gave him the one and only injection he gets these days - tetanus. I did that because I figured that he could get a minor cut that I didnt see and end up with a tetanus issue.In this case, they had people watching him, taking his temps, icing his legs and hand walking for 48 hours. We all lived to tell the tale. So that is the one that I hold my breath and give to him every few yrs. When I had our local vet at home give him the injection, he acted as if he were drunk, couldnt walk in a straight line and went down in his stall. My local vet said "if I were you, I wouldnt do this (or other injections as he has the same response ). I totally understand why the shows are asking for this. With the number of horses that come in from a variety of areas, who knows what they are bringing with them. As for me, Im going to take a pass. My vet will write a note about my horses history. Just too much of a risk unfortunately. And in the meantime, I hope he doesnt catch anything that happens to floating through the neighborhood. My other horses all get their vaccines. So this isnt an anti vaccine issue for me - its that my horse just cant tolerate it.
One of my geldings has had very bad reactions to the rhino vaccine. When I bought him in Germany the seller advised me not to vaccinate him for rhino due to previous bad reactions. So for the first two years I had him I did not do rhino. But then I started showing him so my vet and I decided to give it a try. First time we gave him IV bute when he had the shot and monitored him closely. That worked for two times ( I’m in Florida so vaccinate every 6 months) but last spring he had another bad reaction. Temp up to 104 despite bute. So no more rhino for him. I’m fine with vaccination requirements for shows as long as they have the “letter from the vet” exemption. I think the “taking the temp” requirements are a bit much but I’d be fine with them as long as they don’t require a vet certification for the temp log. The barn staff and I can take the temps and keep a log but requiring a vet to sign off would be difficult logistically and expensive.
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Wish we could do this for people in public places :).
Despite my being very pro-health and therefore firmly in the immunize unless absolutely unable to for the horse’s health, my horse has terrible reactions, so we do the minimum and watch him very closely.
Letter from a vet is sufficient…
I think this is a great rule and I wish we could do it for humans.[/QUOTE]
Have you tried the intranasal flu and rhino? does he react to that?
My gelding reacts badly to the vaccine, but has done well with the intranasal.
As far as I know, there is not a IN rhino only IM. Yes there is a IN flu. What we did was change the rhino vaccine on the horse that I have in the barn that reacted badly to the rhinomune, he got pnuemabort K instead.
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As far as I know, there is not a IN rhino only IM. Yes there is a IN flu. What we did was change the rhino vaccine on the horse that I have in the barn that reacted badly to the rhinomune, he got pnuemabort K instead.[/QUOTE]
There is an intranasal influenza/EHV-1 & EHV-4 vaccine. I wouldn’t have suggested it if it didn’t exist. 
Just a note about the intra-nasal … don’t stand in the stall door gabbing to the vet, because when your horse shakes his head & sprays you in the face with vaccine, you will get ‘under the weather’ for a few days. On the up side, I’m immune to equine influenza for the whole winter! Yippee.
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I agree, I think vaccines are important - for people and horses! Just dealing with a horse who has severe reactions - and a letter from the vet is NOT enough. It also requires twice daily temping for a week prior to the show, and every day of the show. So for those of us with work schedules that don’t allow us to take a week off leading up to the show - it makes it prohibitive.
Sadly, I agree, some people will simply buy the vaccine, keep the receipt, and toss the product :no:[/QUOTE]
With a digital thermometer how long does it take to get a temp? I assume that if you don’t see you horse 2xs a day that somebody else does. Why can’t the barn staff take the temp when they throw hay/grain AM & PM and write it on a chart on the front of the stall?
I am not seeing the temp thing as that onerous. Ripe for lying, yes. Taking a temp 2xs a day for a week doesn’t seem like that big of a deal.
We’ve had to show proof of vaccination within 6 months at the Saugerties HITS shows for at least 3 years now, and FEI horses need it in order to keep their passport current.
I completely understand why they’re doing it. It makes little sense to show proof within 12 months for a vaccine that doesn’t last 12 months.
Also, the show season in my area is roughly May to September - so one vaccine per year is still fine unless you go to Florida.
Do you do something very involved when taking a temperature? Why does one need to take a week off from work to do it?
My thoughts equal SonnysMom’s on the whole temperature taking thing. If you can not get to barn twice per day for the week for whatever reason, there is likely someone at the barn who can be paid to do it for you.
[QUOTE=SonnysMom;8375150]With a digital thermometer how long does it take to get a temp? I assume that if you don’t see you horse 2xs a day that somebody else does. Why can’t the barn staff take the temp when they throw hay/grain AM & PM and write it on a chart on the front of the stall?
I am not seeing the temp thing as that onerous. Ripe for lying, yes. Taking a temp 2xs a day for a week doesn’t seem like that big of a deal.[/QUOTE]
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Have you tried the intranasal flu and rhino? does he react to that?[/QUOTE]
Thanks, yes :). A year and a half ago, we did intranasal flu (I guess rhino was in there too? I don’t remember.). He was pretty sick. We did not space them out, so we didn’t isolate. We will probably space out this fall.
This year, after lengthy discussion, we did the encephalitis vaccines and tetanus. We did not give flu/rhino. We basically discussed geography and risk/benefit and I did what the vet recommended based on his history. I scheduled the visit for a Friday morning and I took off work, then I spent the entire three days in the stall staring at him (to make myself feel better) and taking his temp. He had banamine when we started, then I hosed him several times a day. I can’t remember exactly, but I think I gave him one or two more doses of banamine when his fever got really high and we were worried about his feet, and he didn’t want to eat or drink when it was high, anyway. He was very cuddly that weekend and felt better after Sunday night.
With the kid, I just gave her Tylenol and she was fine. The horse was an entirely different story :).
Neither my vet nor I are in favor of this. The language is contradictory. The first sentence requires it. The second sentence permits management to allow the horses to stay if not documented. I dont get a flu shot why should my horse? I don’t know of many shows that would turn entries away. Are the stewards/TDs going to charge someone for this? What would the penalty be?
