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I have to say tough, sorry Thomas1 I was thinking you were the one that started the thread so I was getting posts mixed up. I got a little confused when I saw you were from scotland but thought you were saying that Europeans in genearl were more to the point. [/QUOTE] I’m not from Scotland. I’m really surprised with all that UK ancestory that you didn’t know that Flodden is the battle that the Scots lost, had their King killed and led to the unification: i.e. to say the United Kingdom
Off on a bit of a tangent
Regarding the development of young rider talent by our governing body.
This is from the discussion over on the eventing forum, but I can’t help but think the same core issues are involved in the development of young dressage talent:
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Thoughts???
I know what and who is jumping on my back now
If you go through all my postings on this BB you can read that the Youngster program in the US isn’t what it should be (Heeee, I’am learning to be modest).
Yes we can talk about the RaboBank, BCM and other big sponsors, but we also have to ask ourselfs about the chicken and the egg.
It is a common behavior of sponsors to jump in when it starts getting interrested, and not the way around.
I for myself have sponsored riders and competitions in the US, but 5 out of 10don’t even say Thank You or kept me informed what they did with my money.
I really don’t want to put this is general, because I have gained some lovely friends in the US, but their are a lot of people out there who don’t know how this game is played.
Theo
Chicken and the Egg. Exactly. :yes:
So, sponsors and media don’t want to become involved in a sport with limited interest. Understandable.
Yet, how do you develop young people’s interest in said sport when there is little to no exposure to it? 
As far as not recieving a Thank You for your support and sponsorship…I think that is a different discussion. Perhaps about a segment of the younger generation who feels entitled to all that comes their way (or should come their way with no effort on their part)? :no:
[QUOTE=claire;3777192]
Chicken and the Egg. Exactly. :yes:
So, sponsors and media don’t want to become involved in a sport with limited interest. Understandable.
Yet, how do you develop young people’s interest in said sport when there is little to no exposure to it?
As far as not recieving a Thank You for your support and sponsorship…I think that is a different discussion. Perhaps about a segment of the younger generation who feels entitled to all that comes their way (or should come their way with no effort on their part)? :no:[/QUOTE]
My God Claire it’s simple enough.
Also in the USA you have horses and riders who can rock the boat. If I (from the other side of the Ocean) know where they are, why can’t you or the USEF/USET/USDF find them.
Stables with lesson programs in Holland, just like you’s find here, but about 18 euros for adult lessons and 12 for kids when bought in a package. No idea what lessons cost on your own horse, with BNRs, etc., but lots of showing opportunities on schoolies.
I went to the Horse Event in the Netherlands in 2008, which had a very strong dressage focus. I saw two young women, one who was clearly over horsed riding in a demo clinic with a 2008 Dutch Olympic medalist. I didn’t hear the instructor calling a spade a spade. The Dutch woman translating was very clear that the instructor used tact and diplomacy with that rider in front of they very large crowd. I was surprised (The people I went with were snickering, but we have railbirds in the good old USA).
I watched multiple lesson while I was there - I thought they were quite similar to lessons I’ve seen here. No one was getting ripped to shreds and I heard trainers point out the positive as well as the negative, although I noticed Dutch people one on one are more direct.
Maybe they changed their whole tone while I was there cause they thought an American couldn’t handle it???:lol::lol:
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But I’ve also been a parent of a student for about 8 years, and have been involved in countless bitch-fests about the school system. No parent has ever told me that their child’s “self-esteem” was ruined by an earned failure. Confidence? Yes. But parents know that confidence gets banged up and needs to be rebuilt by earned success.[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe this. You would have to have actual contact with your children and we all know you only hang out here all day, everyday. Stop the lies Ambrey. Stop the lies. Go love your children instead of the attention of a message board. You will feel so much better. Plus, the kids might get their mom back. :yes:
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Maybe the American has more class.[/QUOTE]
C’mon.
Or maybe not.
Or maybe we really dont give a rats ass and…
pass the popcorn
First of all “I” don’t have anything to do with finding riders/horses for the USEF YR/DR/HP programs. :winkgrin:
And finally, North America is a big, big area and there are all sorts of different rider experiences…
Just thought you might be interested in what is probably the more typical experience of a young dedicated rider:
(from the developing rider list thread on the eventing forum)
I find the list a little bit puzzling for many of the reasons stated previously…I have been involved with horses my entire life, and have watched many of my former “horse friends” quit riding to focus on school or other sports… especially during the gap between high school and college.
The young rider program already supports riders of this age group, I think that this list should begin to apply at 21. I believe that the riders who need to most support and funding are the ones who are not still supported by their parents, I’m 18 and competing at the CCI* level/Intermediate level, (with one horse)and have been supported by my parents althrough my high school career.
However, my funding is already very limited, if anything happens to my current mount i will basically be SOL. We can afford approx a show a month if we are very careful. Still I know that before too long I will no longer have my parents support,and that is when I think a program such as this should step in, in that interim period, for young adults that have proven themselves at the UPPER levels, i.e. 2* and 3*.
My dedication to this sport now is much greater than it was at 15, but i know that for many people this is not the case. 15/16 year olds really are still children, and I know I still have a lot of “growing up” to do at 18. So lets not squander limited funds on something thats rather uncertain.
Your wasting your interbreath - “aka - internet fiinger energy.”
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I went to the Horse Event in the Netherlands in 2008, which had a very strong dressage focus. I saw two young women, one who was clearly over horsed riding in a demo clinic with a 2008 Dutch Olympic medalist. I didn’t hear the instructor calling a spade a spade. The Dutch woman translating was very clear that the instructor used tact and diplomacy with that rider in front of they very large crowd. I was surprised (The people I went with were snickering, but we have railbirds in the good old USA).
I watched multiple lesson while I was there - I thought they were quite similar to lessons I’ve seen here. No one was getting ripped to shreds and I heard trainers point out the positive as well as the negative, although I noticed Dutch people one on one are more direct.
Maybe they changed their whole tone while I was there cause they thought an American couldn’t handle it???:lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
Offcourse they changed their tone, because you were their. 
:sigh: I should know better. I guess I had hopes that this was a real discussion…instead of the usual pot stirring session. :no:
It was quite kind of them, Thank you!:lol:
Perhaps it is because of a different focus between countries?
Here in Canada, my son plays hockey and there is LOTS of money spent on hockey and LOTS of competition for team placement. Believe me when I say that they pull NO punches with those kids OR the parents, in the competitive leagues.
I’ve had coaches tell us parents atthe beginning of tryouts that if we were planning a family vacation during the hockey season, then we just didn’t “want it” enough and should just take our sons home right now and stop wasting everyone’s time.
And, the kids were EIGHT.
It only gets worse from there.
So, again, it is cultural in that if there was that much money involved and that much DEMAND, the standards would be higher and instructors could afford to alienate riders as they would still have a large pool of up and comers to pull from. That isn’t the case with dressage in N. America, IMO.
NJR
PS…it is also a fallacy that “hockey season” ever ends.
I haven’t read the whole thread but I do have to say I have been FLAMED by putting up videos and photos for critique before on this board. It has helped me a TON though and I appreciate it thats why I keep doing it. As we are improving the comments get better but I don’t see anyone on this forum being to nice on critiques.
[QUOTE=freestyle2music;3772369]
More and more people are posting their pictures and/or videos of their rides on YouTube and this forum.
In 90% of these cases they get answers like Wooow, what a beautifull and nice horse, and all other kind of diplomatic answers.
Do you think you serve these posters with these kind of statements ?
I specialy ask this question because I just watched a bunch of videos about dressage with on one soundchannel a German commentator and on the other soundchannel an American commentator, and it was very strange to hear that the American commentator was always soooooo/toooooo soft in her comments, compaired to the German commentator.
Why don’t you call a spade a spade or a trainwreck a trainwreck ?
Theo[/QUOTE]
Maybe not everyone thinks negative reinforcement works. It often doesn’t. Being overly critical rarely helps and is often considered down right mean, and usually is given by those that have issues and need to really think about why they choose to criticize rather than give constructive advice with positive undertones. Not everyone believes in bashing someone to get results.
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Maybe not everyone thinks negative reinforcement works. It often doesn’t. Being overly critical rarely helps and is often considered down right mean, and usually is given by those that have issues and need to really think about why they choose to criticize rather than give constructive advice with positive undertones. Not everyone believes in bashing someone to get results.[/QUOTE]
Calling a spade a spade has nothing to do with bashing !
[QUOTE=freestyle2music;3778795]
Calling a spade a spade has nothing to do with bashing ![/QUOTE]
You can call it like you see it without insulting someone or being negative.
