Anyone here every experimented with this cross? I would love to hear people’s experiences and thoughts. Thanks!
Sorry that’s AndalusiAn…it won’t let me go back and change the heading: )
Experimented??
Oh my dear:
Azteca
Iberian Warmblood
IALHA
Eta: there are more ‘crosses’ as well, baroque blood has been incorporated into many many breeding programs. Spanish mustangs, Warlander, Spanish Norman, Arabian crosses are popular*, I could go on & on.
*not all of these are the best idea, personally I’ve found the Arabian cross to inherit some bad personality traits, but there is also a trick-trainer in the states who has a barn full of them & all very highly trained circus horses.
I own an Iberian Warmblood who’s pedigree is Azteca (AndyXQH) X Iberian Warmblood (LusixTB) so she has 50% spanish blood.
It was no experiment, but a very carefully selected match by her breeder which produced 5 beautiful horses.
Very well conformed, beautiful temperament (most of the time :D), very honest & loyal (as in: will go out of her way not to dump you). She can jump 5’ from a stand still (ask the fence!), which surprises most people, but if you look at her conformation she’s built for it!! Beautiful, lovely movements, just crazy extension at the trot, rocking-horse canter.
Please excuse the gross-lack of condition… she’s recovering from a suspensory
Meg
:lol: Fat as a market hog! I’ve got to get her a muzzle…
In better condition:
Jumping
Extension
(not me riding, she was a schoolie for a bit)
Most of all, I’ve ridden a lot of horses over the years, and she is FUN to ride.
Her only real conformation issues are that she’s got a shorter top then bottom so she has a hard time collecting, but her extended trot 'ill kick your average wbs any day! She’s also very pretty which is a nice bonus :yes:. I have many quarter horse people goo-gagga all about her tail, but they don’t have to brush it! :lol:
I don’t recommend experimentation, but if you want to go AndyX I highly recommend it!!! There are lots of stallions who are proven to produce very good crosses already. Properly done you’ll get a versatile and naturally talented equine partner.
Check out Paul Belasik’s site – he has/has had quite a few.
I owned an Andalusian/TB cross gelding when I lived in Spain years ago and always wanted to try an Andalusian/warmblood cross once I started breeding warmbloods years later here in the states, but never managed to put one on the ground.
I still think it would have been an ideal dressage prospect for me, personally, as I really liked the Andalusian dispositions.
I was going to breed an Andy mare to Tzigane (Trakehner). But I ended up getting a TB broodmare instead.
But I think the cross would come out great if you crossed the Andy with a LIGHTER type of body.
My first reaction to the question was “Why?”, but then I have to agree with purple in that a lighter warmblood, especially one with a very light neck might work.
Still, not exactly something I would go looking for… :no:
Why?
Because done properly you are creating something with the natural talents/conformation/movement of an Andalusian on a lighter frame to make them more versatile.
But there are many sport type Lusitanos now that have that lighter build already.
(sorry - very passionate about my horse! :yes:)
Also a half bred is much more affordable for most people.
Am considering an Andy stallion for one of my Tb mares this season. This is a real departure for me I can assure you! I was wanting to produce an ammy friendly competition mount that was pretty enough to be very good in the show ring.
Andy WB crosses were very popular here 15-20 years ago. They kicked butt in the youngstock ring but never really fired when in open company. Very nice all rounders though.
This thread is definitely food for thought…
This makes no sense at all to me. The Baroque lines are so very different in conformation from the modern day Warmblood. If you like Baroque, go Baroque; but it almost seems perverse to me to want to sully the Baroque shape or the modern day light horse shape (mostly TB) with each other. Talk about the possibilities for not getting what you hoped for! Those possibilities seem to me to almost reach infinity.
I am actually quite smitten with Saphiro Johnson (whom I actually found out is Lusitano) which is what got me wondering about this. I have actually seen some REALLY nice examples of this cross (not by saphiro) recently, and got to thinking what the more experienced breeders thought of it. I agree, it could definitely be a gamble yielding an oddly put together horse. I do have a slightly built WB who is always mistaken for a TB. My top pick for her is Don Schufro…but a palomino half lusitano would be an awfully pretty baby hehe 
Aha! So what you’re looking for IS a lighter built lusitano.
But you’re looking at the wrong horse ;).
Lovely lovely boy and you MUST watch his old video.
(Ignore the amateurish website, SO says they are in the process of having it updated)
WOW THAT TROT!! You weren’t kidding about Lusiadas! What would a buckskin crossed with a chestnut throw? I’m intrigued 
After you hit edit, click “Go Advanced” and you’ll be able to change the title. :yes:
I like this chart
http://www.horsecolor.com/dilutions/cream/foal_chart.htm
But it’s not very exact
This is better
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Anyone here every experimented with this cross? I would love to hear people’s experiences and thoughts. Thanks!
Sorry that’s AndalusiAn…it won’t let me go back and change the heading: )[/QUOTE]
This question was asked before quite some time ago on COTH. Here’s the thread:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5122999
As I mention in that thread, a couple of very nice Andalusian x Warmbloods have been auctioned off at the Schockemohle PSI sales.
Here’s one from 2008 – Zafir
http://www.psi-auktion.de/psi-auktion/archiv/online-katalog-2008/dressurpferde-2008/?psiauktion=18&cHash=14634ab1da
And this one in 2009:
http://www.psi-auktion.de/psi-auktion/archiv/online-katalog-2009/katalog-dressurpferde/?psiauktion=182&cHash=37efe660b9
Both are by Andalusian stallions out of a Florestan mare. Very nice!
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This makes no sense at all to me. The Baroque lines are so very different in conformation from the modern day Warmblood. If you like Baroque, go Baroque; but it almost seems perverse to me to want to sully the Baroque shape or the modern day light horse shape (mostly TB) with each other. Talk about the possibilities for not getting what you hoped for! Those possibilities seem to me to almost reach infinity.[/QUOTE]
I lived in Spain for nearly five years and knew two horse farms there that bred almost exclusively for crossbreds. One farm had a herd of Arab mares that were bred to an Andalusian stallion every year. The other farm (I actually ended up riding green horses for them the last two years I was there) had a herd of Andalusian mares that were bred to TB stallions.
I saw three full foal crops, plus a number of 2, 3 and 4 year olds out of those crosses and while they did vary a little from ‘more light horse influence’ to ‘more Andalusian influence’ I did not ever see one that had poor conformation or poor movement or seemed to be ‘put together by committee’. All of the ones I worked with also had wonderful dispositions and were extremely trainable.
I would not personally cross Andalusian or Lusitano to the heavier, old type warmblood but can’t imagine you wouldn’t get a great cross … not as extreme as either parent … using a lighter warmblood to Andalusian/Lusitano.
I have an Andalusian/Arab cross mare now and my plan is to breed her warmblood, hoping for just a little less sensitivity and ‘quick’.
Having looked into a few more Andies and Lusitanos that are being promoted primarily for sport, I have come to the realisation that the stallion I am interested in (Hatero de PB in Australia) is a bit of a one off! He moves and looks more like a warmblood than most others - I guess this is why I liked the look of him from the get go. His decidedly funky colour had nothing to do with it - honest!
Andaulsians have such a great disposition and super work man like attitudes. Of course that is a blanket statement, there are bad seeds in every breed.
They are basically Spanish quarter horses but have better movement. A really nice easy keeping family type horse that can double for sport, especially dressage.
They don’t all have that terrible knee jerk type of movement.
Bred with a lovely light boned Warmblood someone could make quite a lovely cross.
I was going to use an Andy mare that I broke and rode several years ago to make my custom foal with the trakehner stallion I like.
The product would have been a super athlete with hardy conformation (good bone) a super work ethic and still fun for the whole family and a good bare back ride.
Baroque lines have gotten a tad weird, but if you can snatch up an older type model they can be really really super.
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I lived in Spain for nearly five years and knew two horse farms there that bred almost exclusively for crossbreds. One farm had a herd of Arab mares that were bred to an Andalusian stallion every year. The other farm (I actually ended up riding green horses for them the last two years I was there) had a herd of Andalusian mares that were bred to TB stallions.
I saw three full foal crops, plus a number of 2, 3 and 4 year olds out of those crosses and while they did vary a little from ‘more light horse influence’ to ‘more Andalusian influence’ I did not ever see one that had poor conformation or poor movement or seemed to be ‘put together by committee’. All of the ones I worked with also had wonderful dispositions and were extremely trainable.
I would not personally cross Andalusian or Lusitano to the heavier, old type warmblood but can’t imagine you wouldn’t get a great cross … not as extreme as either parent … using a lighter warmblood to Andalusian/Lusitano.
I have an Andalusian/Arab cross mare now and my plan is to breed her warmblood, hoping for just a little less sensitivity and ‘quick’.[/QUOTE]
By any chance do you remember the farm name or if they had a link? Im considering breeding my anglo-arab mare to an andalusion or lusitano but havent really found the stallion for her yet.
A friend of mine is the breeder of a TB/Lusitano filly and a Dutch Warmblood/Andalusian filly out of a Krack C mare. She has videos of the girls when they were foals on her website. http://www.arcadesgrove.ca/index.html
