Andrew Kocher - electrical spurs?

Something to note here is that the FEI’s reach regarding horse abuse extends well beyond FEI competitions. If there is evidence that Kocher has used electric shock on horses anywhere, at anytime, even in his back yard, the FEI can hold him responsible for horse abuse, and they are very thorough in their investigations. If you are a member of the FEI, you cannot violate the horse abuse rules, period.
It’s in the rule book.

They can always decide to make an example of you but they usually don’t, as we know because we see so many dubious behaviors go unpunished…

However, I have a feeling that they will come down on Kocher like a ton of bricks because electric shock is so easily understood by everyone to be a cruel, horrible thing to do to a horse. I think any appeal of a suspension to the CAS would not be successful, again because the thought of electrical shock is horrifying, even to non-horsey people.
So my bet is that, if the FEI has the evidence, Kocher is in serious trouble especially since the accusations apparently involve more than one horse.

Those poor horses. :frowning:

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Yah, I know this. My point was that it is irrelevant, past a certain point, where/at what level he is riding so long as people are still paying him. If he’s getting a paycheck those paying him are complicit, at least ethically. I was responding to the intimation by Xctrygirl that it somehow doesn’t matter since he wasn’t riding in high level competitions over the past few months.

Apart from that, as you note above if he extends his abuse outside of FEI competitions, he is still liable through the FEI’s rules.

I’ve been watching replays of FEI GPs and World Cup classes and I can’t even watch when Kocher comes on the screen.

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My bolding.

That was NOT my point at all. I hope he has the book and everything else thrown at him. I was just surprised to see how far the mighty had fallen. Also realistically shocked that he was riding in public at all. I get the job part of things but this was a SERIOUS abuse case. I’d be expecting him not to be out and about while the FEI was mulling things over.

I am really NOT a fan and would be thrilled if he was given a very long ban, ideally lifetime.

As to those who questioned why my friend was having him ride their horse… I have no clue. I didn’t ask her. God knows he’s absolutely on my list of people who cannot ever touch, handle or ride my guys. But everyone does their own thing.

Em

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I wouldn’t call him mighty.

He’s middling.

He “somehow” found his way into some nicer horses and owners with more money than sense or good taste who paid for him to show and live this lifestyle.

He was never ever a great talent, trainer, judge of horse flesh.

He has to keep tricking dummies and sad ladies to keep this business model cause he can’t really do it in the saddle.

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That would require of him to have or feel shame…

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He just had a baby, maybe he should try working on being a better role model and person, he will have the time.

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“Middling” is very generous of you.:yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4pQiRiJ0xA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot9MoKNc4DE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHyNqoxSMM

@Bobby7 Good for him that his suspension will coincide with his recovery from having a baby. I hear it takes awhile to heal up before you can ride again. :smiley:

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This is, sadly, a not uncommon business model in our sport.

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I’m almost positive he’s got a few kids, and if he does, he clearly hasn’t had any desire to role model for them.

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For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would want him riding their horses. Just watching him makes me ill. I hope he is set down for a long, long time. Like forever.

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Does he know he’s allowed to use his lower leg? Someone should tell him he’s allowed to use his lower leg…

But seriously - I am just gobsmacked. Even ignoring dumpster fire going on over the fences and only looking at his flatwork, if I ever rode like that my trainer would make sure that I didn’t so much as look at a ground pole, let alone gallop around a grand prix class. She’d have me riding in half seat and stirrupless for months. The constant bracing, heels kicked out and away from the horse, a default chair seat, pinchy knees with a wildly swinging lower leg, and falling on the neck over every. freaking. fence. I hope he has insurance that covers broken noses! This is literally the exact opposite of everything I have ever been taught.

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A gentle suggestion to xctrygirl - perhaps rethink the people your choose to call your friends in conjunction with a review of the qualities you value in a person. How we as humans treat animals should be part of your internal balance sheet when choosing a friend.
Do consider how your Swan Lake story reflects on you as a horse owner, and human.
You explained to all of us, "As to those who questioned why my friend was having him rider their [sic] horse…I have no clue. I didn’t ask her." Because she was your friend…you chose not to ask her?
Your stated belief that “…everyone does their own thing” is disingenuous.
Logic will therefore lead readers to summarize that you must think that Kocher is also just be doing his “own thing”?
But then you also commented that you wouldn’t let him “touch, handle, or ride” your “guys.” As we say in Texas…go figure.
As long as your horses are safe from him, let everyone do their own thing, no matter the harm or consequences?
Maybe next time instead of keeping quiet and not questioning your friend, (but instead discussing her on a national chat room), you WILL ask you friend the Big Question. Because if a friend won’t, who will? Her horse can’t.

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Quoting because I agree so much, and quoting because that same poster wants plantation to change their name but starts a thread with the title “plantation starter” in it. Quoting because the same people who want the name changed and call anyone defending it racist, wished the OP good luck. I too which her good luck. But I do chuckle at the blatant hypocrisy.

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Trying to understand why or how it wasn’t caught sooner…I can see the cord running under his jacket but how does it connect to the spurs? You would have thunk it would be obvious running down the outside of his leg or does he have a hole in his boot?

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You and I and a horse backs off when we accidentally touch an electric fence. Now, surely, whatever battery electric gear is worn can not pack the wallop of an electric fence and would have to be administered at a precisely given moment to be effective. Why doesn’t the dude just learn how to use his leg correctly?

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@carolprudm I don’t know that “electrical spurs” is intended to be taken literally. I was envisioning something more like an electric dog collar being modified somehow to sit on the inside of his heel or even his calf so that he could just have his leg on and press the button. I suppose it wouldn’t be too difficult to make a small hole in the stitching next to the zipper on the boot though and thread some wires through to the spur though. In the photos of the cord running down the inside of his breeches it is very obviously going all the way into his boot, so there must be a hole or something.

I’m curious to know exactly how these were rigged, although I don’t blame anyone for it not being published. I don’t have enough faith in humanity to trust that someone wouldn’t just use the description to make their own.

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Because he truly believes that’s the way to go - and I would bet someone in his entourage taught him a thing or two.
If I personally know someone who used at least once an electric device at home, at the girth, and I don’t know personally that many people in the jumping world, I doubt he’s alone.

Not only does he probably thought how clever he was, he sure thought a lot of riders are doing it.
And don’t get fooled, it’s unfortunately probably true.

It’s not like he would suddenly admit he’s no good at riding and that his horsemanship skills are so poor …
He’s not the first guy to reach « the top » by sheer pride and guts.
They don’t ride for the horses.
They ride because they can, they are fearless and it’s prestigious. For the adrenaline. Like car racing.

It’s a shame.

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It’s not like car racing. Cars aren’t sentient beings.

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That’s pretty much what I guessed. The videos I have seen of his rounds seem to show a frantic frazzled horse

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I know… he doesn’t and a lot of people don’t.

Another good example is Al Sharbatly… That crazy batshit bastard isn’t there for the horses.

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