I hope he is losing all his horses.
I doubt theyāll deign to speak to the unwashed masses.
I get the feeling they just want this to all blow over and somehow weāll magically forget about the guy who whipped his horse upside the head.
Not happening on my watch.
I canāt believe he hasnāt even issued a statement. Nothing. How appalling.
It makes me sick to see how differently heās being treated than Charlotte.
Maybe the difference between the British NF and USEF. Different standards that have one organization that will be jumping up and down and objecting, and one that wrings its hands and can be pretty much counted on to do nothing.
Not excusing this, but thatās the difference between a situation going into the Olympics with one of the favorites to medal and any other situation.
They had to get ahead of the Charlotte video to protect themselves and all equestrian sports in the Olympics.
Good point. However, TPTB would be wise to realise that, though this came out after the Olympics, if they think people who are anti-horse sports wonāt dig these videos back up pre-next Olympics they have another think coming.
They would be very wise to make an example of this idiot for the good of horses and for the good of the sport and all horse sports in general. They should hang him out to dry - and richly deserved.
Iām having a hard time phrasing this eloquently so forgive me-- I believe it is as much about the Olympics as it is about the fact that Charlotte is a woman and it is much easier to criticize and destroy a woman than it is a man. Women are held to a completely different standard of conduct.
And there are more men among TPTB and they are more open to bringing down a woman than another man.
I hate this as much as you do but I think itās probably the best thing for him to do from his perspective. I donāt think thereās anything he could say to calm this down really, so laying low and keeping quiet is probably the best tactic for him as far as maintaining his clients and from a legal standpoint.
It may well be heās talked to a lawyer and was advised in this direction.
You may be right that itās best from his perspective, but saving your own skin by running and hiding is the cowardās way out. Itās weak and shows a lack of character (or, I should say, confirms the lack of character shown by his behaviour in the videos).
Also, the idea that lawyers tell clients not to comment isnāt a given. In fact, many times a lack of response to a victim has worked against someone when they finally face the consequences of their actions. I was involved in a drunk driving manslaughter case where the family was asked to support a more lenient sentence since the killer was a first-time offender, mother of young children, etc. The answer was, āNo, because she never once so much as ask how we were doing let alone told us she was sorry.ā So she got the max they could give her under the applicable sentencing guidelines.
The womanās family then cried - but our lawyer told her not to say anything or contact you!! Well, thatās a good lesson for your lawyer, too, then. Wrong choice.
I should think that whatever happens to him (and I hope itās a total life ban), people will feel slightly better if he ever shows remorse than if he seems to snub everyone and simply retreat to his comfy bubble acting like heās done nothing wrong. Itās like the studies that show people feel better about you if you give a reason for being late than they do if you just turn up late without so much as acknowledging it.
This is exactly it.
Plus, it does seem that it there is no upside for him if he speaks out. Everyone saw what they saw on the videos. From what Iāve heard⦠many people have known for quite some time that he has a temper and horses coming from his program have issues that likely are a result of his temper.
Iām not sure an apology will do any good. If he has owners sticking with him, he probably has apologized to them in private. He is unlikely to find new owners willing to support him anytime soon. So⦠he probably is just in a āhanging onā mode for now, hoping his business survives for a few years, and that memories of this mess eventually fade, and that he doesnāt get suspended or banned by the FEI.
Quoting because this needs to be repeated.
I disagree. I am in the Sandhills as well. The community should be talking online. They had no problem talking about Jason and various others. They knew, they continued to socialize with AM, they sent clients and supported his SO in his business. No one wants to stand up and say, āYes, I knew and I failed to actā. These were grown adults with pull. His poor working students should have never had to endure him. Several landed at my farm after they left there, so that they had work and could pay their bills.
Posted on Tuesday on Allie Conradās Facebook page. Click here for post. Also attaching a few of the pics included on the post.
Itās been 2 weeks.
2 weeks since the articles ran in COTH, EN and other publications.
Iāve gotten over a hundred messages from people in that timeāfirst guessing who could leave whip marks like that. (For the record, there are 6 or so people who have some serious soul searching to do in how they ātrainā horses and I hope that EACH and every person who reported their experiences with you all go ahead with reporting you!). Then I got messages from people saying āi saw it too, and I didnāt do anything, but I will nowā (thatās paraphrasing).
I know many people have gone back and retro-actively reported abuse both in this case and others, and thatās a good thing.
My community is abuzz, but other than a visit from the police myself and rumors flying around there is literally NO INFORMATION from the FEI, USEF or leadership from any spot.
Is it any wonder why people get frustrated? I understand that investigations take time, but at least assist with managing our expectations, because in the time TPTB take to āreviewā and act on this HORRIFIC case of over a decade of horse abuse, how many more are getting abused? Seriously HOW LONG are we supposed to just stand around wondering whatās happening?
Itās clear that the subject does not have any remorse or empathy and I expected nothing less, but I do expect more from āleadershipā.
ETA: those of you lurking about discussing amongst yourself that this is a witch-hunt or that there is no way to tell that these are his horses? Yeah. Rightā¦.thatās why I included the unedited pictures this time, bitches. And thatās why all the websites are down, social media deleted and radio silence
Also, women (who make up the majority of riders, even if not the majority of upper-level sponsored competitors) tend to be much more critical of women for not being kind to horses (heck, even in regards to appropriate riding and correction) versus men.
I still think of those trainers who murdered horses for insurance money who are still in business, or were, until their deaths.
Not a total tangent, I hope, but I recently read Jilly Cooperās Riders, and the āheroā (who unashamedly whips and poles his horses) was supposedly based on a number of top riders when it was written. Fiction, I realize, but when I mentioned I was reading it to many fellow equestrians, I was surprised at how many people remembered the character fondly.
@caffeinated Iām not a lawyer, but Iām friends with many, and from a PR standpoint as well (I canāt believe Iām saying this) but if this guy were my client, I would tell him to stay the fuck of Facebook. Donāt apologize. Donāt engage. In that sense, he is smart. Even the most contrite apology would be laughed at as insincere and give fuel for legal action. I know no one likes to hear this. (And honestly, I donāt give a shit if he apologizes or not.)
Thank you for this. I feel terrible for the horses. They give everything and this is what they get. We should all write to Ingmar, for what itās worth, which is probably not much.
I know. (I mean, Iām not part of that world, but Iām aware of it.) Itās disgusting. I could barely even read about what they did to those horses, and (as my posts probably show) I am not some sensitive, wilting flower. But then again, there are people who defend child molesters, too, just because they like the way they ride a horse.
Thank God I have met so many decent people in the industry to counterweight examples like this.