Agree with everything you just said. In addition, Charlotte admitted and accepted fault, apologized, and has shown remorse and intent not to repeat. Obviously words are just words, so she will need time to back that up with action, but he hasn’t even said words. I find his case far more egregious.
who is protecting him and why!!!
My grandmother’s motto in life was to remain relentlessly cheerful. Trying to breathe a little positivity into this space - seeing Charlotte Dujardin’s suspension, I am optimistically hoping that Andrew will be treated in a similar manner since his abuse is similarly documented.
He should get a much longer suspension than Charlotte and have to go to therapy for his anger issues.
If he was a women, he would be suspended for many years and completely hung out to dry.
My understanding of Eric’s reversal of his lifetime ban Mr. Southern put on him was that the FEI told the Southerns that they would no longer be able to host FEI classes if Eric remained banned from Spruce Meadows. Lamaze had been reinstated by the FEI and EC, so he had the right to ride in FEI sanctioned events.
That is definitely possible! It was a few years back so my recall may be a bit off. I usually try to remember to add that disclaimer to my posts. Forgot on this one.
And that is EXACTLY why it progressed so quickly. And by “quickly” it still took over 4 months. There was no resistance, just a person who effectively pleaded guilty.
AM hasn’t done any of those things. Yes, he’s cooperating, but that’s legal talk for a slow roll. You comply with requests but you did don’t give up any info until you’ve been asked, you take your full allotted time, you offer up nothing that hasn’t been specifically requested.
It shouldn’t be hard to understand why - once the ball got rolling (slowly) - that it still isn’t progressing at the same speed. Men may get treated differently than women (of that I have no doubt), but in this instance, at this point in time, it’s an unfair allegation. I would have to wait for actual judgement before I’d want to saddle up that particular horse. And don’t get me wrong, the tack is on standby.
Part of it is a CYA move by the FEI. She’s very high profile and the complaint was made to the FEI less than a week before the Olympics began. I am sure they felt a real sense of urgency to notify her and do a provisional suspension ASAP, because if she’d competed/won at the Olympics and it was later found out that the FEI was sitting on a horse abuse complaint submitted prior to the games, that would be a PR disaster for the FEI.
In contrast… Andrew McConnon isn’t even well-known in the States. If he competes at Burghley while the FEI has a complaint against him, it’s not going to be international news.
I totally agree, but that also feeds into why she didn’t push back at all. I’m sure even if she thought that might be an option both Carl and her NGB were saying otherwise.
However, once that dust Olympic debacle dust settled, the allegation still had to go through the normal adjudication process. And that process was greatly sped up by the fact that the FEI didn’t have to build a case that proved the allegations were true, just like if you are accused of a crime there’s a world of difference in the speed things progress if you plead guilty vs not guilty.
Hi all!
I used to be a member here but have lost my login info. Signed up for a new one to clarify some info but was put into posting limbo as a spammer :dizzy:
I wanted to reiterate what I wrote on my Facebook page—the FEI is continuing to investigate this case. It’s an incredibly frustrating and slow process. From submission of witnesses to signing of witness statements is taking roughly 6 weeks each.
One major problem is that people who had submitted info against AMC in the past either to FEI or USEF were not contacted, so none of those witnesses were known to the investigators. I can’t be sure of this as everyone is so close-lipped but it seems like communications between the organizations could use major improvement.
Another issue is that in the past it appears that people who have come forward with eyewitness accounts were basically told that there was nothing to be done without video evidence. This is absurd, if true.
Another issue—the refusal of anyone in the UK stepping forward. Rumors have it that he was well known to have gotten the boot from The Billy Stud for abusive behavior. They refuse to speak out on this case—even statement saying they didn’t witness anything. There is also speculation that he was removed from WFPs farm but invited back for excessive beating on horses. Nobody will confirm if that is the case or not, but the silence speaks imho.
Anyhow, just wanted to say thank you for the support, provide a little info to the thread and remind people that we are all our horses have to protect them against sociopaths.
ETA: I’m Allie conrad in case wick would like to know
Welcome back Allie. And thanks for the update. Possibly @Moderator_1 can help retrieve your original sign in.
Welcome Allie and I very much appreciate your persistence on this issue and your willingness to be vulnerable in this situation by speaking out. It is heartbreaking to me that so many protect abusers in the sport by keeping closed lips and I applaud you for not being one of those people. You are clearly an advocate for the horses and that is hero level stuff in my book. Thanks again.
I find this interesting that 2 folks have mentioned this disparity in the FEI’s handling of these 2 cases. When I said exactly the same thing on the Charlotte thread (re Parra) I got my ass handed to me by quite a few posters.
If I had seen it, I would have defended you. There are probably other factors but gender seems to be a strong one based on history.
Thank you! It certainly comes with risk—I live in the same community and it’s shocking that more people here haven’t spoken up publicly. But people here all know what he is. If they didn’t know, they would find out in short order.
The culture of professionals protecting one another is going to be the ruination of horse sports.
I know people are worried about stepping up because they themselves have had “bad days”with horses and run the risk of witnesses coming forward and calling them out. But we have to be brave and stand up to say “I’ve been too hard on horses in my past. I’ve made mistakes. I’ve taken discipline too far, but I learned from it and work to never to it again”.
Nobody is without fault. I’ve personally done things I’ve looked back on and thought WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!? Flat out heavy-handed, nonsensical abuse delivered inappropriately in times of frustration and anger that did exactly NOTHING to help educate a horse.
The difference is that I look back and am horrified by my actions and vow to do better by animals and I work hard at it everyday. Andrew finds new and better ways to inflict pain, trauma and “submission” and he is not alone in his methods.
There is a difference.
Violence begins when education ends. Unless you are a deeply disturbed human with behavior along the lines of a sociopath.
He still has 5 horses on his farm and is riding. He still reportedly enjoys the patronage of one of his owners—the owner of one of the horses who is featured in many of his whipped pictures and punching in the head videos. Deplorable.
Anyhow, word on the street is that we will have news within 3 weeks.
Where did he learn this from? Who else is doing this?
Key questions.
McConnon didn’t arise from nowhere. He worked for some very big names, for significant periods of time.
I don’t want to unfairly blame them for his actions, however, the whole situation is troubling. Very troubling.
And… it’s heartbreaking that there is one particular horse - one seen in many of these pictures and videos - still in his care. Top tier eventing horses… ones that have the heart and courage and talent to compete at the 4 star level and beyond… they are special. Not always easy. But really special animals. It just makes my stomach turn a bit to think of a horse like that… one who gives so much and tries so very hard… to be in a situation like the horse apparently is in.
Very sad.
What kind of person sees their horse being abused in a video and leaves the horse in his care? Do people just not care anymore? I hope karma comes visiting this individual one day.