I’ve talked with Lydia Hiby twice. Both times she told me about health issues that I did not know about (with my horses) she was also spot on with their personalities. I did try another woman once, Martha somebody, and I thought she was an absolute charlatan.
Astrology, fortune-telling, reiki, homeopathy, chiropractic, ghosts of popular dead rock stars, world-wide superstitions, crashed aliens at Roswell NM, clairvoyance, and people who convince you they can read the mind of a large ungulate herbivore over the telephone; what’s the common denominator?
ALL things for which there is not-one-shred of reproducible empirical verification, but which people choose to believe in anyway as a back-door out of our everyday physical reality. It is “true” BECAUSE they want to “believe.” You won’t talk them out of it.
Just don’t use your AC as a substitute for the VET, and that’s your business.
Honey is regarded as a homeopathic cure…
and yet…
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20080922/humble-honey-kills-bacteria
Western medical science gets it wrong sometimes. And it is always changing its views on things. Recall it once rejected the mind/body connection that today is “all the rage” in Western medicine.
If people spent more time caring for their own animals instead of boarding them, sending them to daycare, crating them all day and hiring people to walk them, they wouldn’t need a communicator.
If you really know your animals, you know when they are communicating something is wrong.
[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8893156]
Astrology, fortune-telling, reiki, homeopathy, chiropractic, ghosts of popular dead rock stars, world-wide superstitions, crashed aliens at Roswell NM, clairvoyance, and people who convince you they can read the mind of a large ungulate herbivore over the telephone; what’s the common denominator?
ALL things for which there is not-one-shred of reproducible empirical verification, but which people choose to believe in anyway as a back-door out of our everyday physical reality. It is “true” BECAUSE they want to “believe.” You won’t talk them out of it.
Just don’t use your AC as a substitute for the VET, and that’s your business.[/QUOTE]
imagine my surprise when as a graduate trained research scientist myself I started hearing weird things. Yeah, proven to be this but at first I didn’t quite get it.
I have no doubt the info is from the horses, its presented in a very non-human way (hard to describe) and I have had further verification later of its accuracy.
I have also used professional ACS and had them validate things they could never ever in a million years know.
Oh, and I am also able to “get things” from people.
Friend going to kill themselves? yeah I know but I didn’t have any other way of “knowing”. I can’t always place it and I’m not as “good” as a professional. But if you have this sense you can tell it’s not “from you” or normal emotion. It feels very non-emotional. often a picture or phrase.
there are a ton of people who are not as good, or not real. But they don’t concern me. I can’t do anything about those people.
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If people spent more time caring for their own animals instead of boarding them, sending them to daycare, crating them all day and hiring people to walk them, they wouldn’t need a communicator.
If you really know your animals, you know when they are communicating something is wrong.[/QUOTE]
sure, they are both communication, but not the same at all.
[QUOTE=candyappy;8893266]
If people spent more time caring for their own animals instead of boarding them, sending them to daycare, crating them all day and hiring people to walk them, they wouldn’t need a communicator.
If you really know your animals, you know when they are communicating something is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Rather judgmental of people who are responsible enough to have jobs to support the animals they cruelly board, crate, etc. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Sunflower;8893210]
Honey is regarded as a homeopathic cure…
and yet…
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20080922/humble-honey-kills-bacteria
Western medical science gets it wrong sometimes. And it is always changing its views on things. Recall it once rejected the mind/body connection that today is “all the rage” in Western medicine.[/QUOTE]
Indeed Western science gets things wrong. Sometimes the science, itself, and sometimes it’s the application of same.
But in all instances of “sensory” communication (i.e., relying on the five senses) there is a “there” there to investigate. With honey it’s the honey; with asprin it was willow bark. There are countless other examples of the same thing. The investigation may go awry for any number of reasons but it began with an observed, physical phenomenon that was readily replicable.
In the case of claimed “extra-sensory” phenomenon there is no evidence of there being a “there” there to investigate. There is no observable, readily replicable phenomenon. If there were such a thing then The Great Randi would be $1 Million poorer.
Some people are very good at reading the “body language” of people and animals. Some are good enough that it looks like they are going beyond the physical. I accept it. I don’t accept that they are, in fact, going beyond the physical. If they had collected Randi’s money I might; but no one ever has.
I love prestidigitation. One of the few programs on my TV recorder is “Penn and Teller: Fool Us.” I know it’s not “magic” but “illusion.” That does not make it a less entertaining art form to me. I enjoy it for what it is; I never try and make it what it isn’t.
G.
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Indeed Western science gets things wrong. Sometimes the science, itself, and sometimes it’s the application of same.
But in all instances of “sensory” communication (i.e., relying on the five senses) there is a “there” there to investigate. With honey it’s the honey; with asprin it was willow bark. There are countless other examples of the same thing. The investigation may go awry for any number of reasons but it began with an observed, physical phenomenon that was readily replicable.
In the case of claimed “extra-sensory” phenomenon there is no evidence of there being a “there” there to investigate. There is no observable, readily replicable phenomenon. If there were such a thing then The Great Randi would be $1 Million poorer.
Some people are very good at reading the “body language” of people and animals. Some are good enough that it looks like they are going beyond the physical. I accept it. I don’t accept that they are, in fact, going beyond the physical. If they had collected Randi’s money I might; but no one ever has.
I love prestidigitation. One of the few programs on my TV recorder is “Penn and Teller: Fool Us.” I know it’s not “magic” but “illusion.” That does not make it a less entertaining art form to me. I enjoy it for what it is; I never try and make it what it isn’t.
G.[/QUOTE]
No, I have received messages when I’m not with the animal, or when I am there is nothing to suggest that message in the body language. As I said, its an image or picture. it is NOT OBSERVATION of the animal.
I think you are sort of confused as to what institution is and isn’t, you have a very old school Clevar hans notion of AC. Its ok, since you have really no way of really knowing the difference not having experienced this yourself.
but yes, based on the quacks that get the most attention, of course most of us would think it’s complete nonsense.
Talk to reputable people, not the internet 
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If people spent more time caring for their own animals instead of boarding them, sending them to daycare, crating them all day and hiring people to walk them, they wouldn’t need a communicator.
If you really know your animals, you know when they are communicating something is wrong.[/QUOTE]
We knew our race filly was communicating something was wrong, we just couldn’t figure out what it was. Nor could the vet. Nor could the chiropractor. Intermittent heat in the withers and a vague, floating, discomfort on one side that also came and went. I have posted before about my positive experiences with an AC. In this case, the very first words out of her mouth were “Your filly has a rib out.” And she was exactly right. (Racehorses wear a very tight over-girth and in her previous race the girth must have shoved the filly’s rib to where it wasn’t meant to go.) Once we knew where to look, the problem could be addressed.
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No, I have received messages when I’m not with the animal, or when I am there is nothing to suggest that message in the body language. As I said, its an image or picture. it is NOT OBSERVATION of the animal.
I think you are sort of confused as to what institution is and isn’t, you have a very old school Clevar hans notion of AC. Its ok, since you have really no way of really knowing the difference not having experienced this yourself.[/QUOTE]
One of the great things about being human is the ability to understand and appreciate that which we have NOT experienced. I’m deeply skeptical of claims such as yours. But, at the end of the day, as long as you are not engaging in fraud or misrepresentation which injures others it’s a “no harm, no foul” situation.
G.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8893299]
Indeed Western science gets things wrong. Sometimes the science, itself, and sometimes it’s the application of same.
But in all instances of “sensory” communication (i.e., relying on the five senses) there is a “there” there to investigate. With honey it’s the honey; with asprin it was willow bark. There are countless other examples of the same thing. The investigation may go awry for any number of reasons but it began with an observed, physical phenomenon that was readily replicable.
In the case of claimed “extra-sensory” phenomenon there is no evidence of there being a “there” there to investigate. There is no observable, readily replicable phenomenon. If there were such a thing then The Great Randi would be $1 Million poorer.
Some people are very good at reading the “body language” of people and animals. Some are good enough that it looks like they are going beyond the physical. I accept it. I don’t accept that they are, in fact, going beyond the physical. If they had collected Randi’s money I might; but no one ever has.
I love prestidigitation. One of the few programs on my TV recorder is “Penn and Teller: Fool Us.” I know it’s not “magic” but “illusion.” That does not make it a less entertaining art form to me. I enjoy it for what it is; I never try and make it what it isn’t.
G.[/QUOTE]
But-but-but! Jerry Garcia talks to my horse in guitar riffs! I KNOW this, I FEEL it so it MUST be TRUUUUUUUUUUUE! :lol:
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8893303]
No, I have received messages when I’m not with the animal, or when I am there is nothing to suggest that message in the body language. As I said, its an image or picture. it is NOT OBSERVATION of the animal.
I think you are sort of confused as to what institution is and isn’t, you have a very old school Clevar hans notion of AC. Its ok, since you have really no way of really knowing the difference not having experienced this yourself.[/QUOTE]
Has Elvis called home yet? Jim Morrison? How 'bout ET? :rolleyes:
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We knew our race filly was communicating something was wrong, we just couldn’t figure out what it was. Nor could the vet. Nor could the chiropractor. Intermittent heat in the withers and a vague, floating, discomfort on one side that also came and went. I have posted before about my positive experiences with an AC. In this case, the very first words out of her mouth were “Your filly has a rib out.” And she was exactly right. (Racehorses wear a very tight over-girth and in her previous race the girth must have shoved the filly’s rib to where it wasn’t meant to go.) Once we knew where to look, the problem could be addressed.[/QUOTE]
AC and “a rib out” in the same POST?! ROFLMAO, you win the Internetz for today!! For a trifecta, add “ulcers!” :lol:
Ahem. Will stop trolling. Really. But seriously folks, 20 years ago NONE of these fads had happened yet–and horses did JUST FINE without AC’s and the other charlatans of Woo. Did see a quack named Tony Gonzales lame a few thousand by shimming up alternate feet unevenly with multi-sized degree pads, but that passed quickly . . .
I think what you’ve got today is a lot of people who come to horses in mid-life, didn’t grow up as barn kids, and didn’t have the fortunate privilege of an old-time horseman or woman who REALLY KNEW HORSES as mentor. Those of us whose education was imparted by old folks who learned when the horse was still a “using” animal as opposed to a recreational pet seldom seem to bother with anybody but a DVM–probably because we “get” the important basics of horse management that were once the domain of professional dealers, trainers, and grooms.
Put your money into doing the basics well, and you can wash popcorn down with your wine watching the silly ways other people spend their money.
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AC and “a rib out” in the same POST?! ROFLMAO, you win the Internetz for today!! For a trifecta, add “ulcers!” :lol:
Ahem. Will stop trolling. Really. But seriously folks, 20 years ago NONE of these fads had happened yet–and horses did JUST FINE without AC’s and the other charlatans of Woo. Did see a quack named Tony Gonzales lame a few thousand by shimming up alternate feet unevenly with multi-sized degree pads, but that passed quickly . . .
I think what you’ve got today is a lot of people who come to horses in mid-life, didn’t grow up as barn kids, and didn’t have the fortunate privilege of an old-time horseman or woman who REALLY KNEW HORSES as mentor. Those of us whose education was imparted by old folks who learned when the horse was still a “using” animal as opposed to a recreational pet seldom seem to bother with anybody but a DVM–probably because we “get” the important basics of horse management that were once the domain of professional dealers, trainers, and grooms.
Put your money into doing the basics well, and you can wash popcorn down with your wine watching the silly ways other people spend their money. ;)[/QUOTE]
Well. That puts me in my place, doesn’t it? :lol:
I hadn’t realized you were the only person on COTH who’d had horses for decades. Too bad those old folks you learned everything from didn’t teach you to keep an open mind.
I got a horse for a dollar because she was lame with a rider on but completely sound without. Xrayed everything you could imagine and found nothing. Chiro found a rib out, fixed it and she made over 100k. Not bad for a dollar.
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We knew our race filly was communicating something was wrong, we just couldn’t figure out what it was. Nor could the vet. Nor could the chiropractor. Intermittent heat in the withers and a vague, floating, discomfort on one side that also came and went. I have posted before about my positive experiences with an AC. In this case, the very first words out of her mouth were “Your filly has a rib out.” And she was exactly right. (Racehorses wear a very tight over-girth and in her previous race the girth must have shoved the filly’s rib to where it wasn’t meant to go.) Once we knew where to look, the problem could be addressed.[/QUOTE]
My equine chirorpactor can diagnose a rib out. For that matter, so can my coach.
You may need a new chiropractor.
There are a bunch of threads at the bottom of the page under “similar threads” that you might want to check out. One even had 164 replies.
Sorry, but having “a rib out” is not an anatomical condition recognized at any time by historical or modern veterinary medicine.
Cracked or fractured rib, yes, from a kick, casting, or fall. And that can be seen on an x-ray.
