The AC I spoke to told me my mare complained that I used to buy her red apples and now I bought yellow ones instead (they were on sale) and she liked the red apples better.
The AC couldn’t have gotten that from me. For the half-hour rate I was paying I didn’t have apples on my mind.
So if she didn’t hear it from my mare, that was a really lucky guess. :lol:
I’ve wanted to try an animal communicator. Any recommendations in the NoVa area or over the phone?
Just think, 50/50 odds in statistics are awesome odds.
She could have said yellow apples and now you were buying red ones and you would have corrected her and thought she was wonderful to know about the apples.
Probably already forgot all the other details she was throwing around fishing and you dismissed as they didn’t fit.
For a while there were ads for people that wanted to learn to be communicators over the phone.
They would train them and they could make so much money right from their house.
Just one more way those things can work.
There are youtube videos someone posted a while ago where they show how a good talker can convince someone of anything, even that they know things “they could not possibly know!”
AC people are pretty much the same as the “mediums” who hold/held seances and other mentalists who shill themselves as actually having special powers rather than being tricksters with an act. I’m a fan of Penn and Teller and The Amazing Randi, and have come across other investigative reports of this type of thing and it’s invariably BS. Some of them actively do nefarious or semi-nefarious things like having an accomplice look through handbags left in another room and transmit information via hidden headsets or other means, or do a detailed social media search to find all those things people “hardly ever” talk about. Mostly, though, it’s a constant patter of questions, some big, some small, some right, some wrong, and they follow a scent of being “warmer” like a hound on a trail and the rabbit doesn’t have a clue. It’s been years but I watched an expose on some medium where they had volunteers talk with the medium on camera. Interviews afterwards, the volunteers were astonished “How did he KNOW?”, but when the video was played back, he had asked questions, and they TOLD him, without realizing that they had. Every, single, time. Many, I think probably most, AC people are outright charlatans who don’t give a rat’s behind about animals or their people, but have found a group of easy marks willing to spend money. I do think there are few that have a natural talent for extracting information from people and have drunk so deeply of the Kool-Aid that they themselves do not realize that they are doing it.
Many years ago I did a weekend workshop on Animal Communication. It certainly was not Wu-Wu, or How to Become a Psychic in Two Days. It was about quieting our own minds and internal chatter, and the hardest part: having no expectations. Like intuition it’s more feeling than conscious reasoning.
Animals don’t “speak” the way humans do, but they do have thoughts and feelings that can be heard beyond the body language we humans use to understand them. We just have to be quiet enough to pay attention.
This is quite correct. Animals communicate but it’s “non-verbal.” It is, however, physical and not in any sense “extra-physical.” It’s also “I hurt here” not a long soliloquy.
The professional “animal communicator” who claims extra-sensory abilities is a fraud, plain and simple. If you want to see this done by real professionals on national TV watch “Penn and Teller: Fool Us.” They have “mentalists” on with regularity and you will be amazed at how they can manipulate people. Some folks posses this ability naturally. But it’s the communicator reading the physical animal and the physical human and coming up with an amalgam that will get them a paycheck. That last item is the Object of the Exercise.
G.
Did they also teach you how to listen and connect with the dead?
See the examples right here of communicators telling horse owners their dead horse is messaging all is ok with dying and now being dead.
All that is part of similar ESP stuff that went on years ago, what I alluded to in a previous post.
There are people making money out of selling that service and also some making money of training people to provide those services.
That no one has been able to prove any such in a rational way that can be repeated reliably and so quantified, now all these years later?
That ought to tell us that, yes, we may not know enough, but also that there just may not be anything there as is claimed, or we would have by now made a science out of any of it that is really as some are led to think.
We are all so invested emotionally with our animals, it is easy to push that over a rational edge into believing most anything that makes us emotionally feel better about so much that is there in our lives with our animals that we are questioning.
I will say, as others have already stated, we are already connected to all around us, including to our animals, in ways we may not be aware of, subsconciously.
That may give us the impressions of such being otherworldly.
Then, if we stop and think, there is nothing there that we can’t already explain by who we are and how we think and experience the world around us, without needing to imagine stories out of the realm of known realities, as animal communication is.
I forgot to add, mindfulness, quieting your mind, no expectations, all that are ways already practiced in mental health circles.
There are skills taught for that, therapies that use those modalities, biofeedback some of those all that complements.
That is part of how we learn about and how to use our minds.
There is solid science and studies that shows how that works and where best used in our lives.
What is questionable is using that to claim then ESP type happenings like animal communication.
I don’t believe it’s real (though how awesome would it be if it was?), but I would totally do it for fun. If anyone has any recommendations too, send them my way!
I get that everybody’s a skeptic. I am too–to a certain extent.
We all know how con men work, and that you can be “led” to give up information. But when I’m there totally mute and the first words out of the AC’s mouth are about yellow apples, well…that was very interesting to me.
She didn’t start with carrots. Or stud muffins. Or Mrs. Pastures treats. Or even red apples which would have been a smarter guess if that’s what she was doing.
There was no fishing around that I just happened to conveniently forget that led the AC to those details. :rolleyes: It would truly be nice if people who don’t believe in animal communication wouldn’t start with the assumption that those of us who do must be uninformed idiots.
I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m just relaying my experience. This was only one part of a session where the AC got many things right–including describing my mare’s dam to me (whom I had never seen). I had no idea who my mare was “talking about” at the time. When I later related the conversation to my trainer, she clued me in. It was all interesting stuff.
Was this an in person thing? I’m wondering if there are any that aren’t too far that would come to do it here.
No, I did it over the phone. The AC was in NJ (I believe) at the time, I think she’s now in Florida. I used her services with several horses in both Georgia and Kentucky. I can PM you her name and contact info if you like.
Yes please do, that would be great!
No.
If you actually take the time to notice what is normal for your animals, you don’t need a so -called communicator.
Do you give the AC your name? I suppose they know your location.
Now that people use cards for groceries and have grocery store membership cards, what you buy is on a list somewhere, and those lists are usually for sale.
It is the odd merchant at this point in time that doesn’t sell their customer list and details.
I have no experience with any sort of psychic. If people use them and are happy (and are not bankrupting themselves)
I don’t see the harm.
Popping back into this thread because the common theme seems to be that people who claim to be animal communicators are just money hungry. The AC I used doesn’t like accepting money for her “gift” as she calls it. I had to force money into her hands because she spent 2 hours with me and my beasts, drove to me and spent countless hours over text and phone following up. She tells me that Atlas doesn’t often try to talk with her anymore, because he was able to get his point across and doesn’t like “strangers in his head”. Occasionally, she’ll send me a random message to ask how I am and if I’m feeling okay, and when I ask why, she’ll say, “Oh, Atlas said you were really tired this week” or “Atlas told me you said the world was too loud and that makes him anxious for you”. I’m very noise sensitive and sometimes, I complain that life is too loud to my fiancé. Then I’ll sit in my room with my ears covered and my eyes closed to get relief. No one else knows this and I don’t make a habit of talking about it, so I’m not sure how she would know.
I’m still very much a skeptic about most things like that, but I just can’t argue with the fact she seemed to know a lot of things that aren’t common knowledge. She even referenced a moment in time when my ex was standing nose to nose with me, screaming at me, and she told me it wasn’t my fault for his computer being slow. At that point, he was actually screaming at me because his new computer wasn’t downloading something fast enough and he blamed it on my internet connection and broke the laptop in half. Then she told me, “Atlas didn’t enjoy getting wet that night, but he had to protect you” - I went out in the rain to find the pieces of the computer after my ex threw it out the door and proceeded to get drunk. It’s funny that she talked about Atlas not liking to be wet - he is a complete priss of a dog and will hang his butt off the deck to go to the bathroom so he doesn’t have to touch wet grass or mud. And just a few days ago, out of the blue, she caught me on Facebook and said, “Your instincts were correct about why Atlas stopped sleeping in his crate and chose to sleep on the floor beside you all those years ago and those random little bruises weren’t accidental.”
When my ex and I were still together, I used to wake up with little bruises all over my body, between my shoulder blades and in places I couldn’t reach or explain. They were the size of a finger print. I had my suspicions, but didn’t want to accuse without proof. Atlas used to sleep in a crate, but he started raising a huge fuss every night and would beg to be let out when I went to bed. He started sleeping on the floor beside me and I’d wake up every so often to see him watching me or sitting with his head rested on my hip, staring at my ex. The bruises slowly stopped, but Atlas continued to raise a fuss every bedtime. The same night I kicked my ex out, Atlas slept calmly in his crate again and hasn’t raised a fuss about it since.
OMG yes!!! I consider nonbelievers to be flat earthers, they are so annoying! I have used AC’s for over 30 years and have gotten many things that they couldn’t have known from the animals in question other than from communicating with them. I used to think the animal communicators had to be there in person, but now I trust them to be just fine over the phone.
One time we had just adopted a dog from the pound and she was very skittish. If you called for her too loudly she would sqat and pee in fear. Of course, in her previous home she was beaten and thrown in the backyard and no one gave her any attention but negative attention. At any rate, at that time we were renting an office for our business and we were sneaking our dogs in and out when we came in and out. I had the car pulled up to the door and I called Xena (the dog) and she squatted and peed there in front of the office door a bit. I didn’t think I called her hard or angrily. I coaxed her in the car and just then my husband came out of the office door and said “what are you doing here? I thought you left.” Bea, the AC came to see us the next day and since it had just happened the day before I asked why the dog was freaked out. She said it was a small earthquake. My husband was startled, (and for the first time half-convinced) because he felt it sitting at his desk and walked out the front door because of it. Now how would the AC know about a very small earthquake right then unless the dog didn’t tell her? Really, you think she went to the trouble to find out when earthquakes were happening in our area, (office area, not even our house where she read the dog)? No. (And it was one of those tiny earthquakes that you can’t feel if you are walking around like I was, but you can feel it if you are sitting still like my husband was.)
OK, another reading… I used to have the AC come to our house and invite as many people who were interested in having their animals read to come. Very fun sessions. I love this story. It’s about a Chihuahua I had no acquaintance with. The girl who owned her was a friend of my at that time pet sitter. She came in with two Chihauhuas. Her boyfriend held one and she held the other, the one she wanted read. Bea starts out and tells her that the dog loves her, but really loves her mother a lot (more) because she spends more time with her. The girl didn’t like hearing that, but oh, well…
Then Bea said “She misses the treats you used to give her.” The girl said, “She was getting fat.” Bea said, “just give her smaller treats, she really misses them.” Then Bea says, “She plays with another animal and she really enjoys playing with that animal. Is it a cat?” The girl says, “No, we don’t have a cat.”
Now, I need to interject here, an AC sees projected imagery from the animals POV… so right then she’s seeing from the Chihuahua’s POV 4 inches from the floor… and perhaps projections aren’t as clear as TV or something you’d like to imagine… but then Bea said, “She (the dog) likes how this animal smells.”
The girl said, “Oh, it’s the ferret, she loves to play with the ferret, they run all over the house and play together.” Then Bea’s attention was drawn to the other Chihuahua, that the boyfriend was holding and she said “And he says the ferret stinks.” The girl and her boyfriend laughed and said “The ferret bit him on the nose and he hates it.”
OK riddle me that one how she figured all of that out… no one said anything about anything, it just came out. I hate you skeptics with closed minds acting so superior. Open your minds and think about it. Animals have memories, they have likes and dislikes, why can’t they communicate them? Bea says we are all projecting imagery when we talk but we lose the ability to pick it up from others when we learn to verbalize as children. You project your thoughts all the time and you do pick up some… it’s what you flat earthers call intuition. When you meet someone you take an instant dislike to or you feel they have taken an instant dislike to you. You kind of know it because you are picking up their mental imagery.
I have never had a reading where the AC gave me info that didn’t resonate truthfully. Just recently I had my horse read in a group reading at our ranch and some stuff came out that was nothing they could have figured out like they did unless the horse told them. When I went to see my horse in Atlanta he didn’t look off at all except to my husband (who is NOT a horse person) so when I didn’t see or feel him off and the vet check didn’t have him off on his hind leg I proceeded to get him. I will also mention that he was in need of a shoeing too at the time and by the time I got him he was really so overgrown I took a before and after picture of his feet. When he was read by the AC he told her that he was afraid he wouldn’t pass the vet check because he was stiff in one of his hips from having hooves that were too long. (Husband said, “I told you he was off in his hind end.”)
Oh, heck, I don’t care if you guys think I’m nuts: Here’s the video with not so great sound because I couldn’t be there and I had to talk to her over the phone. This AC is Lydia Hiby. I saw her on the internet and thought it would be fun to have at the ranch and a lot of people were interested so I organized the thing. My husband had set something up with our nieces so I couldn’t be there so we did my reading by phone. My horse is a sweet guy. I didn’t know he saw tempi changes until he told Lydia he saw them. And then I had to ask his previous owner, who said he was trained at a place where there was a higher level dressage horse who did tempi changes. It’s sort of funny and how would Lydia have known unless he told her? I got him a year ago. The issue with his hip was a year ago. Seeing the horse doing tempi changes was over a year ago. My horse has barely learned how to canter without crossfiring… I have zero aspirations to tempi changes right now. I will be overjoyed if he ever learns a flying change in a couple of years. I don’t even think about tempi changes. Maybe he might someday… but really it’s far away from my thoughts as pigs flying. The AC was relating what he saw and showed her and that’s it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HitsQqJYtn4
I have used Bea Lydecker and Joy Mason before who are also good AC’s. You can find them all on the internet. They do it over the phone. A friend of mine at the ranch uses an AC called Candy, maybe it’s Candy Cane… yeah… terrible name, right? Sounds stripper-ish. You can find her videos on the internet. My friend swears by her.
Now, worth saying, all of the AC’s have different delivery. Lydia has a very fun delivery that makes it sound like the horse is actually speaking to her. Bea is more dry. It’s perhaps the entertaining delivery that may have the flat earthers thinking these people are snake oil salesmen… I don’t know.
To the people on the fence on this, it’s really amazing. It’s real if you find a person who truly does it. When an animal is dying they are aware of their own mortality. It is helpful to get an AC to talk to them before they pass, it puts your mind at ease. I had Joy talk to my last horse before we had to PTS and she asked him if he wanted me to be there when he was PTS and he said no. That was pretty much his personality, he didn’t want to cause me pain. When he was lying in his corral and couldn’t get up I was crying my eyes out during the whole process of trying to get him on his feet and with several men on either side of him holding him up as we loaded him onto a trailer to the vet hospital. (He had arthritis that interfered with his spinal column). He told me through the AC he was sorry… geez… these animals are too good for us!
I used an ac years ago for my gelding. I don’t remember much of what she said. Gelding crossed the bridge 5 years ago and now I own the triple combo of a chestnut TB mare who is his exact opposite. I’ve had a few conversations with my gelding since he has crossed. A few months ago I was quietly sitting and I knew he was in the room with me. We had a long talk about his crossing and how scared he was. He told me my mare is afraid I will stop being her owner. Mare raced for 4 years then was a schoolie. I’m her first owner. Gelding has had a few talks with mare along the lines of “this is how you need to behave.” Anyway, I’m not a professional ac but I do believe animals can communicate.
I think it’s funny and sad that people are so quick to call ACs frauds. Are there frauds among them? Of course! But that doesn’t invalidate the legitimate ones. To say that human forms of communication (verbal and body language) are the only ones that exist is arrogant and closed-minded. We humans are probably specs of dust in a very vast universe. I do not doubt that there are life forms out there who would view us as quaint, if not downright simplistic, along with our ways of communication.
So to broadly declare anyone who purports to communicate on a level you do not understand simply shows your own limitations. Humans probably lost their ability to communicate via energy as we evolved and developed our frontal lobes, but I have no doubt there are many among us who still have this skill; in fact, I’ve encountered them. Just because I don’t have the skill to play a concerto on the piano doesn’t mean that the person who can hear it once and play it perfectly is a fraud. They just have a certain talent, perhaps from a past life? (Did I hear heads explode? LOL)
Disclaimer: I am not a horse communicator, but have used them a few times over the years. As with any other horse professional, some are better than others at what they do, but the bad ones don’t invalidate the good ones any more than a bad farrier makes them all bad.
Ever since I started riding other people’s horses I’ve “heard” some opinions from them about our species.
Yes, they think we are clever, but horses seem to think we are dumb because here is the horse plainly communicating with us and we either ignore them or go “huh?”. They seem to consider a lot of us like idiot savants, extremely useful in some situations but sort of lacking in the social graces and totally clueless in many situations. A lot of our usefulness in situations seems related to our fingers, we can manipulate stuff they can’t AND fingers are wonderful for giving scratches for those pesky itches.
One of the biggest beefs they have about us is that most of us riders rarely LISTEN to the horse, his opinions, his preferences, his physical hurts and his mental confusion caused by inconsistent riders/handlers. Many also seem to consider us totally lacking in diplomacy and tact, as in “if you ask properly, if you ask nicely, and if you immediately release your aids you would get what you want from me, eventually.” Many of them also think we need to develop patience, especially when the horse is trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for.
I have never been a “great” rider that horses willingly give their all for. I am crippled with MS, I have tremors, bad balance and my coordination is sadly lacking, and this has been going on for all my riding life. Even so my riding teacher will put me on “relatively safe” horses that give other riders problems because she thinks I have a “gift” in getting through to them.
It is not a gift. I simply listen to the horse and try to make the things they object to more bearable to them. Sometimes it takes me months of patience, but I do get a kick out of making “hopeless” depressed horses that have given up on our species more rideable, sometimes A LOT more rideable. I listen to them, I try this or I try that and I listen to their responses, and if what I try does not work I rack my brains or dig into my equitation library trying to find something that the horse might find acceptable. I also apologize out loud when I inadvertently cause the horse any distress.
Because I listen to them (no woo woo, just plain “listening” with my body) most of these horses (one exception recently) give me the benefit of the doubt when my body does not work well and I make major mistakes. I have to accept that sometimes they do not obey my aids immediately because they want to be SURE that I meant to give them that aid. We generally end up working together on our respective problems to the benefit of us both.
The horses I ride seem to think I am sort of dumb, but I am acceptable because at least I try to understand what they are trying to tell me.
I am not an “animal communicator”, but I do listen to the horses. The horses seem to appreciate that.
I call anyone who takes people’s money under false pretenses a “fraud.” If they say “this is what you should do to make your horse feel better 'cause they told me so and here’s the bill” they are committing TWO frauds. First, practicing vet. medicine without a license; second, telling you something that is not true with the intent that you rely on it.
The Great Randi, for a long time, had a $1 Million prize out for the first person who could prove extra-sensory communication in a controlled situation. No one was ever able to collect.
There’s a commercial running from AT&T right now that really demonstrates this problem in a nutshell. It shows folks engaging in socially beneficial actions in disadvantaged communities. And the narrator at one point intones, “Some say seeing is believing; we say believing is seeing.” If you’re trying to buff your public reputation as a mega-corporation maybe this is OK 'cause most of us don’t believe in mega-corporation PR to start with. But to apply it to equine related issues is something else again. Indeed, under the right circumstances, the owner will not only be the victim of the fraudster if they’re following the fraudster’s advice injures the horse they might find themselves being questioned about animal neglect or cruelty.
Folks can believe what they want and pay people to do things they want them to do as long as they are not engaging in either criminal or tortuous behavior. What the believers can’t do is present anecdotes of impossible circumstances and then tell the rest of the world that they must believe 'cause the believer was there and saw it with their own eyes and no one can ever question them on what they saw.
G.
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