[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8636828]
Why show only the nice part of it and not any of the bad? Again, if they wanted to be real about it, why not how people how to butcher a goat? How to judge meat quality? Meat animal conformation? [/QUOTE]
because he doesn’t have to. The end. His place, his business, his cow. Not up to you or that special snowflake to tell him how to run his farm.
[QUOTE=Altermyne;8636978]
because he doesn’t have to. The end. His place, his business, his cow. Not up to you or that special snowflake to tell him how to run his farm.[/QUOTE]
Then I guess he can enjoy going out of business! XD
Do you really think I, the personal I, care if he eats Minnie or not?
Don’t turn a debate into a personal attack.
[QUOTE=Red Barn;8636716]
I know, right?
This continued insistence that a phoney-assed theme park is actually a “working farm” is just getting weirder and weirder. And the idea that this blatant tourist trap exists solely to educate stoopit city folks about the realities of food production . . . well. How old are these people?
If I hadn’t been following this crazy and wonderful thread for days on end, I’d surely have assumed that Benner’s weepy defenders were themselves a bunch of oddly gullible middle schoolers, and his critics the only people who’d actually visited the real world.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you need to get a bit more information about agritainment and agritourism, both of which are legal recognized adjunct to farm income.
Doing ‘country things’ in a country setting is all part of the concepts.
http://extension.psu.edu/business/ag-alternatives/farm-management/agritainment
Again, farming has evolved over the last 50 years in order to survive.
It is legal, not phony, not ripping people off, not fraud.
I’m not crying about Benner, I am outraged and disgusted at his extremist attackers.
I have no problem with people deciding they don’t like his methods or marketing. Or saying that is their opinion.
Rallying the troops via petition to force some sort of change to fit their world view and inciting death threats is flat wrong, however.
Sending him death threats is ugly and uncalled for.
Change.org is just that. Change.org. Benner doesn’t have to do anything about it if he doesn’t want to. Hell, if he was smart, he’d just donate them that bloody cow and go buy himself a dead one with the money. Big whoop.
Saying: “I don’t like that you spent your money on a horse when there are starving children in the world”. is an OK thing.
Adding “and you shouldn’t be allowed to spend money on horses”; or “you ought to be killed, if you don’t spend your money to save the starving children like I want you to.”
That is crossing the line. Way over the line.
Apples and oranges though.
[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8636991]
Sending him death threats is ugly and uncalled for.
Change.org is just that. Change.org. Benner doesn’t have to do anything about it if he doesn’t want to. Hell, if he was smart, he’d just donate them that bloody cow and go buy himself a dead one with the money. Big whoop.[/QUOTE]
‘If he was smart, he’d just donate them the bloody (horse) and go buy himself (another one) with the money.’
I believe that might be considered duress.
And ‘donate’ and ‘money received’ aren’t the same.
No one is forced by public opinion to sell their goods in market XX or to buyer YY.
Moreso if they don’t want to sell at all.
I believe that has to do with individual property rights…
Might be in the dusty old Constitution
I have a business. That business is not ag production, even though on my farm there are agricultural products being produced. All 10 of our bovine inhabitants are named. At least two will see the inside of a freezer in the next year. None of the kids or parents who come for riding lessons are distraught that Buster has a name, gets all of the care and affection that his heifer herd mates recieve but is destined to feed us. It would actually be cruel to treat him and the other steer differently than the girls (and bull). I will not be publishing his death but just like the farmer, I will not lie about his future to those who are looking to get educated. Don’t ask a question if you don’t want to know the answer.
Obviously Texas city folks are smarter than those up north? The answer to ignorance is not to hide the truths of life. That is just plain dumb.
[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8636994]
Apples and oranges though.[/QUOTE]
Both fruit.
And not subject to ‘save the fruit’ crazies if you happen to own the orchard.
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8637013]
Both fruit.
And not subject to ‘save the fruit’ crazies if you happen to own the orchard.[/QUOTE]
Now you’re being silly. Your comparisons were not equal to each other at all.
[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8636991]
Hell, if he was smart, he’d just donate them that bloody cow and go buy himself a dead one with the money. Big whoop.[/QUOTE]
Do they give you money when you donate something where you are from?
If he gives this cow away (aka donate) then he will not have money to buy the meat he needs to feed his family.
I am betting if any of these people upset about Minnie being slaughtered are willing to offer market price for her that the farmer will sell her to them and then they can do whatever they want with her.
Yeah, it’s called a tax write off.
I would sell them Minnie for an exorbitant price and just eat one of the others in the herd.
[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8637036]
Yeah, it’s called a tax write off.[/QUOTE]
So the them in question is now a charity? A charity in need of a pet cow?
Because farmers make so much profit from their enterprises that they need the donation tax write-off?
This particular cow was fed by them, handled by them, cared for by them.
They know what illnesses she has had or never had, what feeds, drugs, outdoor living, shelter, etc. for her entire life.
She was given that care in order to become health giving food for that family.
For all you know, her offal, blood and bones will go to fertilize farm fields: her life will go to that farm. She is not plastic packaged meat to this farmer.
One cow is NOT the same as any dead cow.
Just as any (live) horse is not the same as another (live) horse.
Or maybe you’d like to donate that GP dressage horse and buy the foundered Fjord at the auction house?
Stealing an apple is the same as stealing an orange in the ‘It ain’t right to do that’
sense.
[QUOTE=SuzieQNutter;8637046]
I would sell them Minnie for an exorbitant price and just eat one of the others in the herd.[/QUOTE]
The others in the herd (if there are others, they bought Minnie for beef from Ohio) would presumably be breedable heifers, so worth more to a farmer at this time as producers of future beef during their lives.
Minnie, as a freemartin, is sterile and can produce nothing but manure and tourist dollars while she lives. She may have received different feed to produce beef rather than growing up to breed.
One cow is not interchangeable with another to most farmers.
And there is no such thing as a community cow when it is owned by one person/farm in that ‘community’.
There are customers, not a community. They have no right to dictate.
They did have the right to offer cash.
The owner had the right to refuse.
You love making some crazy comparisons just right out of left field. This isn’t even a discussion anymore. Good lord.
She also may not be their only freemartin and they probably have steers as well. We do.
If they have to eat a heifer. Heifers are supposed to be more tender.
[QUOTE=SuzieQNutter;8637136]
She also may not be their only freemartin and they probably have steers as well. We do.
If they have to eat a heifer. Heifers are supposed to be more tender.[/QUOTE]
I had no idea gender affected taste. Interesting.
This isn’t even a discussion anymore. Good lord.
Ain’t that the truth.
Give away homegrown beef cow and go buy factory farm beef with the government rebate? That’s the worst business plan I’ve ever heard. Let alone the moral and health reasons cited for eating homegrown beef.
Back to the original complaint, it is not ethically, morally, or physically better to buy beef from a store just because someone once met the steak you plan to eat. That woman is an idiot who obviously lives in a different reality than the rest of us.
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