Another fatal Pit Bull attack....

[Stushica]

[QUOTE=Sswor;7502981]
Someone earlier mentioned BSL would work if only because it would reduce the number of pit bulls and fighting dogs in residential areas. I agree with that. All these other suggestions require $$ to implement and with most states and municipalities struggling for cash right now, especially the blue class and working poor communities where pit bulls are more likely to be kept as “pets”, I don’t think those are realistic suggestions. Just ban them, don’t chase around the people who own them to make them be complaint, it’s never going to happen and you know they are going to have to get multiple warnings before the dogs get seized, and those warnings mean more $$ shelled out, over and over again. Ban then, seize them, euthanize them, the end.

Because as it is right now, if you were unlucky enough to have one or two of them that run loose periodically around YOUR neighborhood, and you have dogs of your own that you love dearly and don’t want to see get assaulted and mutilated in front of your eyes should you dare to, you know, walk them on a leash once a day–you might think a little differently about BSL.[/QUOTE]

We must have posted around the same time but what comes to mind is WTF? As I stated above I quite like my dogs and If they needed to be licensed/ registered differently to keep them I most certainly would. Your generalizations kind of piss me off… actually scratch the kind of, I find you both offensive and annoying.

[Sswor]

Ok? I’m noticing a trend. Why is it that pit bull people seem to think everything is about their own personal dog and directed to them personally?

[khall]

What I find interesting is that it seems the anti pit type believe every single dog bite story involving a pit type dog. Boy I have some beautiful pasture land in the Everglades I would love to sell you! From personal experience, news and police and AC get it wrong very often. I am not saying there are not dogs out there that need to be PTS for their behavior, some of them pit bull types (I personally PTS one I picked up that had been fought and was human aggressive with everyone but females) but I have also seen Rotties, sharpeis, GSDs, chow (IMO have the most unstable temperament) chis, cocker spaniels be human aggressive. My vet’s experience is with doxies, can have terrible temperaments, she actually loves the pit types, very easy to work on.

As for intact male dogs and a bitch in heat, yeah it can flip their switch (according to reports the 130 lb whatever he was that killed the 4 yr old girl had already shown aggression to people, he should have been PTS and not let loose in a household with small children).I have had personal experience with an intact male JRT around a bitch in heat, he would go after people and other dogs. At least until my then GSDx put him on the ground and let him know it was unacceptable behavior to go around jumping on anything and everyone.

[JackieBlue]

[QUOTE=khall;7503168]
What I find interesting is that it seems the anti pit type believe every single dog bite story involving a pit type dog. Boy I have some beautiful pasture land in the Everglades I would love to sell you! From personal experience, news and police and AC get it wrong very often. I am not saying there are not dogs out there that need to be PTS for their behavior, some of them pit bull types (I personally PTS one I picked up that had been fought and was human aggressive with everyone but females) but I have also seen Rotties, sharpeis, GSDs, chow (IMO have the most unstable temperament) chis, cocker spaniels be human aggressive. My vet’s experience is with doxies, can have gterrible temperaments, she actually loves the pit types, very easy to work on.

As for intact male dogs and a bitch in heat, yeah it can flip their switch (according to reports the 130 lb whatever he was that killed the 4 yr old girl had already shown aggression to people, he should have been PTS and not let loose in a household with small children).I have had personal experience with an intact male JRT around a bitch in heat, he would go after people and other dogs. At least until my then GSDx put him on the ground and let him know it was unacceptable behavior to go around jumping on anything and everyone.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think THAT dog had shown human aggression. Others in his bloodline had. And your average intact male doesn’t kill a child who’s just watching tv and then require 12 bullets to stop the madness. Female in heat or no.

[Nezzy]

i think the reason people believe Pit Bulls are dangerous is b/c Pits are in the news ALL THE TIME bc they do hurt or kill people or other animals. It’s scary to even go for a walk. YES there are plenty of good ones. but the bad ones are horrible.
Yes a small dog could also bite me, but i doubt a small dog could kill me. a Pit Bull could kill me.

[Stushica]

[QUOTE=Sswor;7503035]
Ok? I’m noticing a trend. Why is it that pit bull people seem to think everything is about their own personal dog and directed to them personally?[/QUOTE]

It’s not that everything that is said is said to me personally, however the actions you suggest would directly effect me and my dog… So it is taken a bit personally. BSL doesn’t care if my dog is the worlds most well trained dog on the planet, if he looks similar to a “pit bull” then he’s euthed. Period.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Stushica;7503369]
It’s not that everything that is said is said to me personally, however the actions you suggest would directly effect me and my dog… So it is taken a bit personally. BSL doesn’t care if my dog is the worlds most well trained dog on the planet, if he looks similar to a “pit bull” then he’s euthed. Period.[/QUOTE]

I haven’t noticed anyone proposing BSL for pitbulls on this thread.

[JackieBlue]

Well, by the same token, in a way, any person who opens their home to a Pit Bull, or any fighting breed dog, potentially puts the public at risk. This is a sensitive situation all the way around. BSL, would have an effect on all Pit owners, but if Pits didn’t have a disproportionately large effect on the populace, the BSL would never have become a topic of discussion. Everyone has a dog in this fight, whether they have a dog or not.

[Sswor]

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;7503378]
Well, by the same token, in a way, any person who opens their home to a Pit Bull, or any fighting breed dog, potentially puts the public at risk. This is a sensitive situation all the way around. BSL, would have an effect on all Pit owners, but if Pits didn’t have a disproportionately large effect on the populace, the BSL would never have become a topic of discussion. Everyone has a dog in this fight, whether they have a dog or not. :-([/QUOTE]

You got that right. It’s a public safety issue.

Do I not have a right to walk my dogs on leash down my street without risk of them getting assaulted and mauled to death before my very eyes?

Why do pit bull owner’s rights to own a fighting dog which is a proven risk to society trump my right to work in my garden on my property on a nice day?

If there are pit bulls in your neighborhood, you can’t set foot outside your front door without being on alert. That’s ridiculous.

[Stushica]

My first thought Jackie is that that is totally ridiculous because my dog is about the furthest thing from a public health hazard you could get. I have tabs on all of my rescues and rehomes they have all gone through the same training and given to responsible owners and they have all proven to be good citizens. Then I realize I am thinking small minded and not more globally which is were the issue is… not in my own home. I am seriously appalled at the continuation of unstable genetics and as I stated earlier I am VERY pro euthanasia for any dog that isn’t 100% stable and that’s not just for pits.

I also think stronger dog laws would be appropriate. For example in PA my dog has a lifetime license because he is neutered and microchipped and he can be kept track of, when I moved to TN I found that there was no “licensing” to do, I only needed a proof of rabies tag. I’m also pretty sure after living here for so long that animal laws are pretty unenforced and/or over enforced and that it would help at least statistically to have a data base of animals live in the area and it would show trends of what type of dogs live where. Additionally, people who “breed” or have a large # of dog, in TN are required to get a license but because there is no way of assessing how many dogs are in a household (in my area) it is un regulated and unenforced… It’s all one big mess.

I obviously don’t have the answer for everyone but I don’t think it’s in BSL… after-all when you ban something dangerous like guns it only takes them away from the responsible owners.

[Pipkin]

I was attacked by a random collie when I was playing in the park as a kid. I personally don’t think pitbulls are more inclined to attack than any other breed, simply that when they do, their powerful jaws frequently mean there is a tragic outcome, whereas a JRT or whatever wouldn’t have been able to inflict so much harm, even if the intention was there.

Also these breeds do seem to often end up with a dubious stamp of owner. Perhaps that is the correlation.

I love the breed, and would happily own one. Would I leave it unsupervised with my kids? No way.

[Stushica]

Sswor, I’m really quite sorry you live in this constant state of fear but your melodrama only feeds into the issue… without your screeching “advocates” would have nothing to advocate for, the tough guys wouldn’t be able to control you through your obvious fear and the attention that is given to inappropriate owners would decrease which is something they feed on… just a thought.

[MistyBlue]

Having owned a bunch of dogs on the high risk lists, I’m also not for the highest level of BSL.

And definitely not on the national scale for any level of BSL. :no:

But BSL does have levels. It does not automatically mean an automatic ban on certain breeds. It can mean certain restrictions on them and those can be determined from state to state or even city to city or county to county.

Some different types might be requiring any of the specific breed to be speutered. Or anyone with a felony conviction or animal related citation (loose dogs, dog bites, etc) is not allowed to have those specific breeds. Or that all owners of those specific breeds are required to have their dogs microchipped and carry liability insurance.

Personally I don’t think a permit system for high risk dogs in some areas is a bad idea, but not sure how the full logistics would work. Something similar to permits needed for rabies vector wildlife or to be able to keep certain exotics. A permit that requires checks for living conditions (requiring fenced yards with decent fencing, maybe no congested conditions like large-unit apartment buildings, etc) or checks on having had previous animal related complaints/issues, or requiring an obedience certificate by a certain age, etc.

Things that would not appeal to those owners who probably aren’t the best match for a high risk breed. And then chip the permitted animals so that if any complaints/reports come in or there’s an incident or when the animal goes to a vet…the animal can be scanned to see if it’s owner has a permit to own that animal. Or landlords can request that rental applicants show proof of chip, etc. That way we wouldn’t hear so much about the untrained dogs that did horrible things. Or horrible things happening from dogs/owners that have a past of risky behavior, etc. And the ‘thugs’ could just be randomly scanned when parading around with their Status Dogs in public, dogs confiscated if not chipped. And they’d not be able to rent without proof of chip.

There’s a lot of holes in the permit idea, but it has cut down a lot on keeping Servals, Alligators, wolves/hybrids and coons out of the hands of morons. Nothing will work 100%

And it does kind of suck to even suggest a permit process because I’m not the type of person to want to legislate responsible, sane behavior. I don’t like a hand-holding government, but sometimes I dislike how many ignorant morons there are out there too. sigh

[SquishTheBunny]

My “PitBull” is 35lbs and 14 years old. She lives with 2 rabbits, a small poodle and a cat. She goes to nursing homes, has gone to pre-school outdoor events etc.

She has NEVER growled, lifted a lip, heck, she doesn’t even bark.

I have also worked at an animal control where there were absolute viscious “PitBulls” who had bitten other dogs or people. So I completely understand it is a dangerous type of dog to have around, but I still firmly believe in individuality.

They can be a dangerous breed, (JUST LIKE OTHER BREEDS - German Shep, Malanois, Cane Corso, Bull Terrier, Mastiff etc) and unfortunately many of the “Pit Bull” dogs end up in bad, or uneducated homes.

Here, the breed is banned. (And by banned, it means no current breeding - however alive pits with homes dont get taken away to be euthanized). However, it doesn’t mean there still aren’t thousands of them out there. The majority of the attacks on dogs/people here are actually from German Shepherds.

They can be lovely trusting dogs, but not all are good eggs. Thankfully mine is, and if someone wanted to come take her away from me…she would be happy to go with anyone…tail wagging You’d just have to mess with me! LOL.

[Sswor]

You would own an animal as a pet that could not trust with your children? You gotta be kidding me. What’s supervision going to help? There’s multiple reports of kids getting killed by the family pit bull right in front of the parent(s). Also multiple reports that the family pit bull that killed the kid was “wonderful”–until suddenly it wasn’t.

I’ve owned terriers my whole life. Great dogs, fun dogs, but I know exactly what they are capable of. It’s inherent to the type. A pit bull terrier is a terrier bred big and powerful enough to take down large livestock animals since it’s inception, prone to biting people since it’s inception, and been killing people since it’s inception. It’s also been bred to kill other dogs since its inception. It is not appropriate to be a family pet.

[Stushica]

^^ are you talking to Pipkin?

[Stushica]

And it does kind of suck to even suggest a permit process because I’m not the type of person to want to legislate responsible, sane behavior. I don’t like a hand-holding government, but sometimes I dislike how many ignorant morons there are out there too. sigh

yeeeep, I could not agree more.

[Sswor]

I’m talking to anyone.

[Pipkin]

[QUOTE=Sswor;7503472]
You would own an animal as a pet that could not trust with your children? You gotta be kidding me. What’s supervision going to help? [/QUOTE]

I own horses :lol:

[SquishTheBunny]

[QUOTE=Sswor;7503472]
You would own an animal as a pet that could not trust with your children? You gotta be kidding me. What’s supervision going to help? There’s multiple reports of kids getting killed by the family pit bull right in front of the parent(s). Also multiple reports that the family pit bull that killed the kid was “wonderful”–until suddenly it wasn’t.

I’ve owned terriers my whole life. Great dogs, fun dogs, but I know exactly what they are capable of. It’s inherent to the type. A pit bull terrier is a terrier bred big and powerful enough to take down large livestock animals since it’s inception, prone to biting people since it’s inception, and been killing people since it’s inception. It’s also been bred to kill other dogs since its inception. It is not appropriate to be a family pet.[/QUOTE]

I was bitten by a Doberman as a kid. My pitty x is the perfect family pet, and has been for 14 years She has grown up with many other pets and I have had her since puppyhood. No baggage, just good heart and no desire to hurt!

I understand not all are like her - but please understand there are some very good ones out there too.