That’s it, all large breeds should be handled differently.
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This has NOTHING to do with a coverup but with the say statistics can be skewed.
BTW:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95747
According to this :
Home> U.S.
Rottweilers Called Deadliest Dogs
But of course, THIS site is reasonable. They definitely SAY that the statistics may not be good.[/QUOTE]
January 7, 2006
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Oh How HORRIBLE
http://www.examiner.com/article/a-rash-of-rottweiler-attacks[/QUOTE]
January 17, 2009.
Look, Pit Bulls killed 2 people YESTERDAY. They are worth discussing. I know you don’t like it. I don’t either. But it is reality.
OMG! I had no idea about Bull Mastiffs!
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/24865253/dog-attacks-and-kills-two-year-old-in-killeen
March 2,2014
Another LARGE DOG ATTACK!
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/State-Looking-Into-Wolf-Dog-Attacks-in-Southeastern-Connecticut-252281481.html
March 25 2014
LOOK! A Chihuahua attack causing SERIOUS INJURY!
http://www.10news.com/news/mother-of-dog-attack-victim-calls-for-change-in-quarantine-policies
March 20.2014
The stories are out there JackieBlue. But I have to sift through them because they don’t get nearly as much press.
Because they don’t happen as often. Again, Pit Bulls killed 2 people YESTERDAY. No sifting required. And if you didn’t know about Bull Mastiffs, you don’t know much. Go read up on the 25 breeds most often involved in DBRFs, see which ones make up the VAST majority and come back to join the discussion when you have a well rounded view instead of a heavily slanted opinion.
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Do I think overbreeding is a problem in pit bulls? Absolutely.
Do I think the overbreeding issue ties in directly with dogs that are a few screws loose? Yes as the persons breeding for the sake of making a buck don’t care about temperament or any type of behavioral issues.
Do I think everyone needs a pit bull? Nope. Just like I don’t think everyone needs a lot of other breeds.
But I won’t engage in any venomous judgments and opinions of others especially as it pertains to dog breeds.[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe that I’ve engaged in any venomous judgments or opinions of others, either.
I also think that there are lots of great pit bulls out there, as well as Rottweilers, bully/pit type mixes, etc. (And rat terriers).
But statistically, there isn’t any real reason to legislate against rat terriers except to prevent puppy mills. There is no public safety hazard, unlike the pit bulls, pit crosses, Rottweilers, and several other breeds.
The problem lies with the “breeders” and some owners, and unfortunately it affects all the owners. Breed specific legislation doesn’t create discrimination against breeds – it’s already there. BSL could be part of the solution, in my opinion, if it also targeted the breeders you describe above.
oops double post.
It is confusing to read stories from 2006 and 2009. For some reason articles will give the date but not the year and you have to look.
But, something this shows if pit bull legislation becomes common, it will really impact all dogs sooner or later.
Our society is one that is increasingly afraid of things. In the past a dog bite was nothing much. Now, a dog bite is treated as though it is something that is very frightening and that trend in our society is just going to get worse.
A lot of people tend to have an irrational fear of dogs already.
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LOOK! A Chihuahua attack causing SERIOUS INJURY!
http://www.10news.com/news/mother-of-dog-attack-victim-calls-for-change-in-quarantine-policies
March 20.2014
The stories are out there JackieBlue. But I have to sift through them because they don’t get nearly as much press.[/QUOTE]
That is not in the same class as the other injuries discussed in this thread. A little girl got bitten on the lip. While it is unfortunate, it is just not the same thing at all.
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That is not in the same class as the other injuries discussed in this thread. A little girl got bitten on the lip. While it is unfortunate, it is just not the same thing at all.[/QUOTE]
It was mighty disfiguring.
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It was mighty disfiguring.[/QUOTE]
It didn’t appear to be from the photo I saw.
chancellor2, making light of and mocking those victims who’ve had their lives ended or changed forever does nothing to further your cause. At this point, you seem to be trolling.
Thanks for the advice. However I was neither mocking nor making light of.
Hybrids aren’t dogs. If they were, they wouldn’t be illegal here.
Hybrids are also recognized as extreme high risk animals, which is why it’s illegal to breed, sell or own them in this state.
Comparing pit/crosses with hybrids is apples to oranges.
FWIW, control measures for high risk dogs isn’t vehemently objected to by the fans of the other breeds on the high risk scale. Those other breed fans are often much more straightforward and more widely experienced about their breeds of choice…as opposed to passing myths like “nanny dogs” or basing breed-wide opinions on narrow experience.
They’re often the first ones after news stories of problems to say, “Poor person/dog/livestock…this is a tough breed of dog to own and very few people should own them. Not surprising this happened.”
They also rarely say, “Oh you can rescue one and as long as you love it and it behaves most of the time with you, it will NEVER be a problem!”
They’re more apt to say, “This isn’t the right dog for most people, it can be a real liability and even dangerous in the wrong hands, even if those hands are very loving and caring.”
Since the initial OP story happened in my state, I have been reading this thread. Posted once with a local news site that mentioned they were going to test the pit for steroids/rabies. I haven’t seen an update yet.
When I was in the pet store today, a lady behind me was talking about her pits to the cashier. I’m pretty sure she was some sort of pit rescue or just adopts them a lot because she loves the breed. She mentioned how her current pit with her for training (the dog looked young, maybe 1 year or so) kept biting her today. She also mentioned that she had to put down one her dogs for mauling a 13 1/3 year old - I thought she said son, but there would have been a news story about it and her other pits would have taken away - and bit her really bad in the process. She said warning signs were there and it was getting progressively worse. Her vet thought it was a tumor.
I really think there is a lot of bad blood down here. It seems in every neighborhood, there is at least one breeder. Most of these are the kind of people you don’t want owning a dog, much less breeding one.
Did you guys see the conditions that those two pits lived in in Mississippi? These dogs need to have the correct owner and unfortunately most people who own them aren’t.
I will say that every pit that I have met has been a sweetheart; however, since I have an epileptic dog and a cat that likes to provoke, I will never own one. If I ever did, I would thoroughly research bloodlines.
From what I read, the authorities decided NOT to test for steroids.
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But, something this shows if pit bull legislation becomes common, it will really impact all dogs sooner or later.[/QUOTE]
BSL would impact dogs - and pit bulls - for the better. It would be an inconvenience and an expense for pit bull owners, but that’s why it would be good their supposedly cherished breed.
Ah, a pit bull owner classic: Back in grandpa’s day, people KNEW about dogs and weren’t these helicopterparenting/cidiot/wusses screaming if good ol’ Roy gave an uppity young’un a warning nip." It’s a fantasy. There are 3 things being left out of that rosy picture of yesteryear:
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The kind of dogs romping around loose didn’t include pit bulls because pit bulls were at that point in time owned almost exclusively by people who fought dogs.
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Dogs that bit - really bit - weren’t given lawyers and court dates. They were shot or poisoned by cops or angry neighbors.
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Rabies. People were not cool with biters back in the day because rabies was a real threat. Still is, of course, but people today mostly assume that their neighbor’s dog is vaccinated. The drive to vaccinate began in the 1920s but didn’t achieve nationwide success until the 1950s. Before that, the public attitude toward bites wasn’t “Ah, Jimmy, you deserved that nip on the face for pulling Buster’s tail!” It was more of a “Did I see Buster fighting with a raccoon last week? Was that the same raccoon I saw stumbling around in the daylight yesterday? Is my kid going to die?”
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Hybrids aren’t dogs. If they were, they wouldn’t be illegal here.
Hybrids are also recognized as extreme high risk animals, which is why it’s illegal to breed, sell or own them in this state.
Comparing pit/crosses with hybrids is apples to oranges.
FWIW, control measures for high risk dogs isn’t vehemently objected to by the fans of the other breeds on the high risk scale. Those other breed fans are often much more straightforward and more widely experienced about their breeds of choice…as opposed to passing myths like “nanny dogs” or basing breed-wide opinions on narrow experience.
They’re often the first ones after news stories of problems to say, “Poor person/dog/livestock…this is a tough breed of dog to own and very few people should own them. Not surprising this happened.”
They also rarely say, “Oh you can rescue one and as long as you love it and it behaves most of the time with you, it will NEVER be a problem!”
They’re more apt to say, “This isn’t the right dog for most people, it can be a real liability and even dangerous in the wrong hands, even if those hands are very loving and caring.”[/QUOTE]
I guess that’s what I really don’t understand; the difference between Pit Bull advocates and lovers of other powerful breeds. I’d tried to point that out in previous posts, but not as simply, but eloquently as you did, Misty.
