Another fatal Pit Bull attack....

[Coyoteco]

I have now watched the video. It took 12 shots to stop the dog? Maybe it’s not 130 pounds, I don’t know that, but it certainly is a pit bull from the photos.

I continue my tirade about the spaying and neutering being the problem here as that is not the basic problem - and then the woman interviewed who was talking about the spaying and neutering was also blaming “puppy mills”. These things are not the cause of this problem. Just exploiting the situation…

Sweden and Finland do not spay and neuter and they don’t have this kind of aggressive-dog problem. They restrict the profit you can make of puppies, but they don’t spay and neuter.

Breeding pit bulls in apartments, though, that’s a whole 'nuther thing…

[trubandloki]

I would guess it is more likely a mixed breed if it is 130lbs and not really a pit bull but calling it a pit bull gets more drama associated with it.

[Marshfield]

[QUOTE=Bicoastal;7498353]
A 130lb pit bull? Never heard of such a thing.[/QUOTE]

I read the link to the story and there was a photo of the dog, which I actually wouldn’t have identified as a pitbull. Cane Corso maybe?? But the head didn’t look pitbull to me.

I’m sorry an innocent child paid the ultimate price. I’m guessing she was maybe a third the body weight of the dog. The crush effect from the bites must have been brutal.

[Appsolute]

Flame suite on - I am sorry, I know that there are people who “love the breed” and will defend them to their death. Its “bad owners” etc and never the dogs fault.

But in general I do not like pit bulls, I am all for mandatory sterilization and a phasing out of the breed.

I believe there is a REASON why Belgium; Brazil; Denmark; Finland; France; parts of Canada; the Netherlands; New Zealand; Norway; Poland; Puerto Rico; and Sweden have BANNED THE BREED.

Yes, some are very “nice pets” and some maul and kill family members at a rate unmatched by any other breed. They are large, very very powerful dogs, with nearly unstoppable drive when they go “berzerk” - even “bully advocates” advise that owners should carry a “break stick” in case things go awry.

Sure, chihuahuas are snappy, terriers can bite - but few other breeds have the power and the drive to kill humans.

[QUOTE=Coyoteco;7498420]

Sweden and Finland do not spay and neuter and they don’t have this kind of aggressive-dog problem…[/QUOTE]

And these countries have banned pit bulls, maybe that is part of the reason they do not have “aggressive-dog problems”, they aren’t scared to say that some aggressive breeds are not acceptable.

[Guilherme]

This is an equine board at its core. How many here have seen this type of scenario play out with a horse? The problem is actually quite similar and it’s called “anthropomorphism.” Sadly, it’s a common fault with dogs, horses, cats, and about any other creature kept as a pet.

Keeping a pet can be a Good Thing for an person’s mental well being. Or it can be harboring a killer. In any given case it’s fair to ask “which is it?”

G.

[Sswor]

Totally agreed, Appsolute.

The world is full of irresponsible parents and unattended children and dog owners who ignore leash laws and also full of dogs who DO NOT kill and maul and maim when faced with those circumstances.

Pit Bulls are a massive public safety issue, and a 100% avoidable one. It’s time we all stand up for our basic right to walk down a public street in our own neighborhoods without fear of being mauled or having our pets or children killed because some a hole has to own a breathing lethal weapon.

[Casey09]

A necropsy would be interesting in a case like this, just to see what is going on. I wonder if this dog could have had rage syndrome or a brain tumor or strokes or something like that. As far as the spaying, I absolutely don’t personally believe that it is a factor in a case like this. Altering animals might alleviate some aggression that male dogs have towards other males in competition for a female dog, but altering a dog doesn’t remove any and all aggression and it is doing a disservice to represent it as such. Obviously there may have been warning signs, but this is a tragic and sobering case.

[chancellor2]

@Coyoteco;7498420

I have now watched the video. It took 12 shots to stop the dog? Maybe it’s not 130 pounds, I don’t know that, but it certainly is a pit bull from the photos.

Oh okay. Good. Apparently Coyoteco can definitively identify a pit bull from a photo. No one else can but apparently that is her superpower?

[Coyoteco]

[QUOTE=chancellor2;7498510]
Oh okay. Good. Apparently Coyoteco can definitively identify a pit bull from a photo. No one else can but apparently that is her superpower?[/QUOTE]

I understand that you want to defend the breed but I think pit bull people may go about it in the wrong way. When the wonderful “cat lady” (so not a derogatory term - she was such a wonderful person from the description) was killed by the pit bull mix that was 60 pounds, the pit bull people said it was a “mastiff” which, of course, wasn’t true as they are 120 plus pounds. Now, you say this pit bull (or pit bull mix which is the same thing) isn’t a pit bull because of reports of its estimated weight.

Someone said it was a Cane Corso - how realistic is that?

So, yes, the police are reporting that it’s a pit bull. The photos show it to look like a pit bull.

Time will tell, I suppose, if it’s a pit bull or a Cane Corso (I’d lol if it weren’t so heartbreaking).

How can you support a breed without recognizing its flawed individuals?

[chancellor2]

I am not stating whether this dog is a pit bull based on its weight. Kindly do not put words into my mouth.
I am simply stating that NO ONE can reliably tell whether a dog is a pit bull or not based on a picture. NO ONE…not even those of us who are pit bull supporters.

[BLBGP]

The Vick dogs were all well under 50 lbs. These super large giant “pit bulls” you see are mixed with, mixes of, or mistaken for other giant breeds (Cane Corsos, etc), and usually not bred for temperament.

That poor child.

[Sswor]

We can make it very simple and just ban them by appearance. The the pit bull people can relax knowing their “breed” isn’t being singled out. Ugh.

I love how there’s a faction of people who defend a dog who killed a kid. That’s insane. Truly. Do you ever step back and look at yourself? Do you see the crazy?

[Rudy]

[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;7498371]
With how built that dog is and those cropped ears it would not surprise me if it was a dog fighting ring rescue or came from a breeder that bred dogs for exactly that. My friend has Pitbulls and they look nothing like the creature in this story and have never shown signs of aggression.[/QUOTE]

The big thick, heavy pit bull types are a current trend and having one over 100 lbs is becoming a common sight. They are bred to ‘look’ tough but are not built to be a fighting dog. Pits bred to fight are lanky, gamey, and agile…of which this guy is not. The big guys for fighting are like having a halter QH and expecting it to go clear at a 4* 3-Day.

[JackieBlue]

[QUOTE=trubandloki;7498421]
I would guess it is more likely a mixed breed if it is 130lbs and not really a pit bull but calling it a pit bull gets more drama associated with it.[/QUOTE]

Nope, there are pictures. No doubt this one’s a pit. I think the weight was a guess and it hit high. That and the dog is really muscular and really FAT. But it IS a Pit Bull.

And to the folks who say it’s too big to be a Pit - Bull $hit. There are different body types just like there are bench and field types of many dogs. Of course fighting dogs are bred to be fast and strong - and people . And then there are people that want this swollen up muscular look. Like reining vs. halter QHs. They’re all QHs, folks.

[S1969]

[QUOTE=BLBGP;7498619]
These super large giant “pit bulls” you see are mixed with, mixes of, or mistaken for other giant breeds (Cane Corsos, etc), and usually not bred for temperament.[/QUOTE]

As if most regular sized pit bulls are bred for temperament.

I’ve mentioned a friend that has a new pit bull as a 1st dog and I would not be surprised if it hits 110lbs soon - still not a year old. Yes, he’s fat, but he is one insanely large pit bull.

[JackieBlue]

These were just a few easy to find headlines for Pitbull maulings from the last few months. Some were fatalities, all were at least “maulings”, with facial injuries and/or disfigurement, dismemberment, etc. Not just simple bites. I’m sorry, but there is something to this.

While I Know that irresponsible dog owners are to blame for out of control dogs, irresponsible dog owners own all breeds of dogs and there are still a hugely disproportionate number of dog bite fatalities attributable to Pitbulls. This hints that the root of the problem lies elsewhere. And while I also concede that all dogs can and will bite, not all will or can attack, maul and kill.

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Toddler-Dies-at-Texas-Hospital-After-Pit-Bull-Attack-245915701.html?ref=701

This fatal attack happened while the 11 month old baby was sleeping!
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/ava-jayne-corless-death-mum-baby-3143409

http://www.jrn.com/kgun9/news/Like-a-chainsaw-going-wild-Tucson-man-recounts-vicious-pit-bull-attack-236833581.html

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2013/nov/09/police-identify-boy-killed-dog-attack-white-county/

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/11/08/pitbull-attack-leaves-4-year-old-in-hospital/

http://arbroath.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/mans-testicles-bitten-off-by-his-pet.html?showComment=1383147540139

http://www.suntimes.com/news/23502323-418/chicago-city-animal-shelter-worker-mauled-by-pit-bull.html

http://wilton.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/harrowing-details-emerge-in-wilton-dog-mauling

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/national/pit-bull-attacks-woman-children-after-twice-jumpin/nfCtt/?icmp=cmgcontent_internallink_relatedcontent_2014_partners1

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/leeds-dog-attack-emma-bennett-2913587

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/valencia-county-woman-mauled-to-death-by-pit-bull/article_86212633-026f-50a9-bab0-ff5e2b19e282.html

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-six-hyde-part-mouth-6459552

http://www.click2houston.com/news/woman-killed-in-violent-pit-bull-mauling-two-injured/23779518

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/happy-little-girl-dies-after-attack-by-family-dogs/article_939cc2f6-808d-11e3-9555-0019bb2963f4.html

[Kat_Renee]

[QUOTE=Casey09;7498467]
A necropsy would be interesting in a case like this, just to see what is going on. I wonder if this dog could have had rage syndrome or a brain tumor or strokes or something like that. As far as the spaying, I absolutely don’t personally believe that it is a factor in a case like this. Altering animals might alleviate some aggression that male dogs have towards other males in competition for a female dog, but altering a dog doesn’t remove any and all aggression and it is doing a disservice to represent it as such. Obviously there may have been warning signs, but this is a tragic and sobering case.[/QUOTE]

It was just announced today that they will be testing for rabies and steroids.
http://www.wafb.com/story/25091039/pit-bull-that-killed-4-year-old-tested-for-steroids-rabies

ETA: Living in south central Louisiana, I see many pit bulls. Most are owned by people who have no business owning them. Most aren’t walked/are kept chained up/are kept for BYB purposes only. I personally think the biggest problem the pits have are the backyard breeders. They don’t breed for anything except money. I think there are a lot bad genes floating around right now and that is leading to unstable temperaments (note - I have done no research to support this. Just my opinion.).

[JackieBlue]

[QUOTE=BLBGP;7498619]
The Vick dogs were all well under 50 lbs. These super large giant “pit bulls” you see are mixed with, mixes of, or mistaken for other giant breeds (Cane Corsos, etc), and usually not bred for temperament.

That poor child.[/QUOTE]

Big Pit Bulls just come from breeding bigger and bigger Pit bulls to one another. The “everything is a mix”, “no one can identify a Pit Bull”, “there’s no such thing as a Pit Bull” thing is getting tired.

[chancellor2]

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;7498873]
Big Pit Bulls just come from breeding bigger and bigger Pit bulls to one another. The “everything is a mix”, “no one can identify a Pit Bull”, “there’s no such thing as a Pit Bull” thing is getting tired.[/QUOTE]

The “I CAN DEFINITELY IDENTIFY a pit bull” is getting pretty tired too because no one can.

Here…here is a whole bunch of interesting reading for you. I’m guessing you won’t however.

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/breed-identification-1/

[JackieBlue]

[QUOTE=chancellor2;7498878]
The “I CAN DEFINITELY IDENTIFY a pit bull” is getting pretty tired too because no one can.

Here…here is a whole bunch of interesting reading for you. I’m guessing you won’t however.

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/breed-identification-1/[/QUOTE]

I’ll ignore your disrespectful goading and point out that we’re not talking about the ability of adoption centers and shelters to identify pure and mixed breeds. “No one can identify a Pit Bull” is a tactic in the Pit Bull advocacy argument brought about to draw attention away from the real subject. It’s a game. I choose not to play. Yes, the avg. human is an idjit when it comes to breed identification. That doesn’t change that Pit Bulls are responsible for more human deaths than all other breeds combined.